Tavor ammo review

Attaboy, Mike!

As the boys said there are two absolutely critical factors here: your optics and your rest. May I make a suggestion? Hold off on your review until you can beg, borrow or steal some good high magnification optics - the higher, the better.

The second is your rest. These fuggin Tavors are just wonderful to shoot and carry and use offhand, but they are bears to benchrest properly. You will need custom bags but that isn't a big deal. Find your wife's best pair of jeans, cut the legs out of them and sew them up into bags filled with lead shot! Make the front bag extra tall so that the 'forearm' of the Tavor can rest on it and still keep the handguard off the bench. Make the shorter rear bag just tall enough to level the rifle and you can make elevation changes by squeezing the rear bag. You want to be able to snuggle right up to the rifle, and basically have the rifle resting on target while you slowly work through the trigger squeeze. Be prepared to run like hell when your old lady finds out what you did to her best pair of jeans. Take the Tavor with you so the old lady can't shoot you with it while you make your escape - the cops WILL rule it a justifiable homicide if you are too slow! :)

This is my set up - one brand-spankin-new Tavor fresh out of the bag, a Zeiss conquest 3x9 scope, and the bags made from pantl egs and filled with bird shot.



That rig works well with sporter rifles but totally sucks for the Tavor. We are lucky, we have concrete shooting benches at our club. Nevertheless, the experts and industry guru's are saying that the Tavor is pretty much a 2~3 MOA rifle and my groups so far have averaged just a smidge over 2" inches. A few wankers on the other thread said the Tavor is a piece of junk on par with a $150.00 Chicom SKS; such statements make me want to vomit with rage!
 
Unfortunately i don't have a higher powered optic, im waiting for my famae to pick one up.
Well guys if you have other ammo to try out through my isreali baby come and see me friday at poco, open invite, i'll likely be there till 2pm.

The only thing i will not shoot is norinco.
 
That rig works well with sporter rifles but totally sucks for the Tavor. We are lucky, we have concrete shooting benches at our club. Nevertheless, the experts and industry guru's are saying that the Tavor is pretty much a 2~3 MOA rifle and my groups so far have averaged just a smidge over 2" inches.

Shoot more than 3 rounds, I think your 2 moa will turn into 3 moa pretty quickly...
 
Shoot more than 3 rounds, I think your 2 moa will turn into 3 moa pretty quickly...

Don't think so. I have top notch optics right now. Soon I will have precision reloads worked up for the Tavor (the ones I have now were made for the AR), I will soon have better sand bags, and I shoot match bullets made for the faster 1:7 twist rate. In addition, I let the barrel cool between shots. If anything that gun is going to shoot tighter! :D

Mike, this is an excellent idea for a thread! Do you mind if I put some of my reload data on it? I am brewing up test loads as we speak and it would be nice to have a library of ammo critiques for the Tavor rifle. Right now I am working with Nosler 77 and 69 grain HPBT's and Varget.



 
One Lung, run down to your local McDonald's and bring home a new straw, cut off about 2 inches and stick it into the dispenser tube of your chargemaster. No more clumps of powder making it go overweight. Since I did it to mine I only get about 1 over weight per 50. Speeds up the process when you're not tweezering out a grain at a time to get it back on weight.
I just loaded up 100 more 223 today using 55gr Nosler Varmageddon and Varget and H335 to test in my ACR with non restricted 1:8 twist barrel, only had 2 charges I had to fix.
 
I am an old fart that may have gotten into some bad habits cr5. I think I read somewhere that the beam type scale is more accurate and that is why I use it for my reloads.

But ya know...even so...even when you get anal and tweezer the powder charge one granule at a time...the chrony still coughs up velocities that vary by 100FPS - or more! I am going to go down to the dump and throw that junk away! :)

Varmageddon, eh? I've used 335 in my black guns before and it was alright but I never got the best results with it. I bought a pound of Benchmark on the recommendation of the gun geeks here but I haven't cracked it yet. It seems that big kids want me to try 55 grainers or I am going to get beat up after school...who knows what will happen till ya try it I suppose.

Thanks for the tips!
 
Don't think so. I have top notch optics right now. Soon I will have precision reloads worked up for the Tavor (the ones I have now were made for the AR), I will soon have better sand bags, and I shoot match bullets made for the faster 1:7 twist rate. In addition, I let the barrel cool between shots. If anything that gun is going to shoot tighter! :D

Mike, this is an excellent idea for a thread! Do you mind if I put some of my reload data on it? I am brewing up test loads as we speak and it would be nice to have a library of ammo critiques for the Tavor rifle. Right now I am working with Nosler 77 and 69 grain HPBT's and Varget.






Been there and done all that already. With five round groups...
Weighed and sorted ivi brass.
CCi br primers.
Dual chargemasters under throwing charges, final trickle on a gempro.

Projectiles tested:
-hornady 53 grain amax
-hornady 75 grain bthp
-sierra 69 gr match
-barnes 69 gr match burner
-hornady 40 grain v-max

Powders tested:
-varget
-vv n140
-vv n135
-vv n133

Shooting setup:
-large bunny ear bag for the front, 20 pounder.
-Triad squeeze bag for rear support
-Sightron 6-24x50 ffp in a larue mount

The shooter:
- my lmt mws shoots 1/2 moa consistently for five round groups
- my ar's are consistently between half and 1 moa for five round groups
- my tikka tactical in 223 shoots 1/4 to half moa for five round groups
- I'm proficient.

Results:
The Barnes with n140 worked the best, giving just over 2 moa. Which is respectable for a long stroke piston gun with a crap trigger.
Had a few groups where it would put 3 in at 1 moa, and really wing two out. Hence my hate for three round groups, they really are not enough with a gun like this.
The rest of the projectile/powder combinations were okay, but nothing stood out like the n140/barnes 69.
A trend I also saw was that it likes relatively hot loads, hotter than what most ar's are comfortable with.
 
Don't think so. I have top notch optics right now. Soon I will have precision reloads worked up for the Tavor (the ones I have now were made for the AR), I will soon have better sand bags, and I shoot match bullets made for the faster 1:7 twist rate. In addition, I let the barrel cool between shots. If anything that gun is going to shoot tighter! :D

Mike, this is an excellent idea for a thread! Do you mind if I put some of my reload data on it? I am brewing up test loads as we speak and it would be nice to have a library of ammo critiques for the Tavor rifle. Right now I am working with Nosler 77 and 69 grain HPBT's and Varget.

Yep I'm ok with it, I'm learning some reloading tricks from you guys while reading this so its all good for me
 
I am an old fart that may have gotten into some bad habits cr5. I think I read somewhere that the beam type scale is more accurate and that is why I use it for my reloads.

But ya know...even so...even when you get anal and tweezer the powder charge one granule at a time...the chrony still coughs up velocities that vary by 100FPS - or more! I am going to go down to the dump and throw that junk away! :)

Varmageddon, eh? I've used 335 in my black guns before and it was alright but I never got the best results with it. I bought a pound of Benchmark on the recommendation of the gun geeks here but I haven't cracked it yet. It seems that big kids want me to try 55 grainers or I am going to get beat up after school...who knows what will happen till ya try it I suppose.

Thanks for the tips!


Nothing wrong with keeping the beam balance around. I have a buddy that uses the chargemaster then dumps the charge in the pan of the beam balance to verify it.

I've never had great luck with benchmark. I've found Varget, H335, and CFE223 work the best in 223.
I have a load built for my HK with 60gr Nosler varmint and CFE223 that is doing 1" @ 100yds no problem.
The Nosler site load data claims H335 made the best accuracy with the 55gr varmageddon bullet.
 
I just came back from the range with my new Tavor. I had 3 types of ammo: Winchester 55gr FMJ, AE 55gr FMJ, PMC 5.56 ammo. I shot at an indoor 50 yard range with only the forearm resting on a bag (my hand inbetween). Accuracy = 1" group; translation: an expert could get 1.5" MOA. This group was with the AE ammo, which shot the best of the three.

Booya!
 
I just came back from the range with my new Tavor. I had 3 types of ammo: Winchester 55gr FMJ, AE 55gr FMJ, PMC 5.56 ammo. I shot at an indoor 50 yard range with only the forearm resting on a bag (my hand inbetween). Accuracy = 1" group; translation: an expert could get 1.5" MOA. This group was with the AE ammo, which shot the best of the three.

Booya!

Yah 50 yards is not the issue, problems are happening at 100+ yards
 
Nothing wrong with keeping the beam balance around. I have a buddy that uses the chargemaster then dumps the charge in the pan of the beam balance to verify it.

I've never had great luck with benchmark. I've found Varget, H335, and CFE223 work the best in 223.
I have a load built for my HK with 60gr Nosler varmint and CFE223 that is doing 1" @ 100yds no problem.
The Nosler site load data claims H335 made the best accuracy with the 55gr varmageddon bullet.

Balance beams can potentially be more inaccurate.
Lots of good reloading info over at snipers hide or 6br .
For bulk stuff, I run three chargemasters.
For precision stuff I run two throwing half a grain under and then dump the charge on to a gempro (.01 grain accuracy), and trickle the rest out manually. And some time tweez one grain at a time, lol !
The charge masters are pretty decent, but are often out .2 grains even though they are reading what you dialed.

One lung, get yourself some varget or vv n140, both are very flexible in application, and consistent.
I'd throw everything away and start from scratch if I ever saw max deviations over 50 fps, never mind 100 !
 
why wont you shoot norinco?

Unfortunately i don't have a higher powered optic, im waiting for my famae to pick one up.
Well guys if you have other ammo to try out through my isreali baby come and see me friday at poco, open invite, i'll likely be there till 2pm.

The only thing i will not shoot is norinco.
 
Balance beams can potentially be more inaccurate.
Lots of good reloading info over at snipers hide or 6br .
For bulk stuff, I run three chargemasters.
For precision stuff I run two throwing half a grain under and then dump the charge on to a gempro (.01 grain accuracy), and trickle the rest out manually. And some time tweez one grain at a time, lol !
The charge masters are pretty decent, but are often out .2 grains even though they are reading what you dialed.

One lung, get yourself some varget or vv n140, both are very flexible in application, and consistent.
I'd throw everything away and start from scratch if I ever saw max deviations over 50 fps, never mind 100 !

Really? I knew some precision wanks years ago that uniformed primer pockets, turned case necks, used micrometer bullet seating dies - and sacrificed young virgins to active volcanoes...and they got the same run out! And that from Grampa Smith barrels. Fact is everything I reload is the same way too - 75~100 FPS seems to be the best I can get. But who knows? You have instrument error in the scale, you have instrument error at the chronograph, isothermic metal expansion and contraction as the barrel heats, runout in bullet weight etc etc etc etc ad nauseum...GAH! I would end up in a straight jacket if I obsessed about that crap the way the cool kids do!

I want one load. That's it. I want to practice with it and shoot it under any and all conditions so I know exactly what it will do at different distances, at longer ranges, etc. And - unfortunately - I am sitting on 700 reloads I made for the AR15 (producing 2" groups, charges thrown by the RCBS Chargemaster) and then about 1000 77 grain Noslers and about 400 Nosler 69 grainers. I was going to try some 55 grainers but what's the point?

I am no authority of any sort...but my results seem to be on par with the better shooters and within the velocity specs.
 
It's still possible to shoot decent groups at shorter ranges with high velocity deviations.
Things will go to hell in a hand basket at longer ranges with 100 fps deviation.
30 is average.
10-20 is excellent.
Under ten and you're a long range rock star.

There's something very wrong with your reloads, or possibly your chrono, if you see 100 fps spreads on a regular basis...
 
Really? I knew some precision wanks years ago that uniformed primer pockets, turned case necks, used micrometer bullet seating dies - and sacrificed young virgins to active volcanoes...and they got the same run out! And that from Grampa Smith barrels. Fact is everything I reload is the same way too - 75~100 FPS seems to be the best I can get. But who knows? You have instrument error in the scale, you have instrument error at the chronograph, isothermic metal expansion and contraction as the barrel heats, runout in bullet weight etc etc etc etc ad nauseum...GAH! I would end up in a straight jacket if I obsessed about that crap the way the cool kids do!

I want one load. That's it. I want to practice with it and shoot it under any and all conditions so I know exactly what it will do at different distances, at longer ranges, etc. And - unfortunately - I am sitting on 700 reloads I made for the AR15 (producing 2" groups, charges thrown by the RCBS Chargemaster) and then about 1000 77 grain Noslers and about 400 Nosler 69 grainers. I was going to try some 55 grainers but what's the point?

I am no authority of any sort...but my results seem to be on par with the better shooters and within the velocity specs.

You may want to try a different powder to reduce those spreads. What powder are you using?
 
Because it's dirty garbage and typically doesn't produce decent groups and just adds to the bad accuracy of the Tavor and many other rifles. If all you want is to go out and make noise it's fine though.
norinco ammo is great for when you just want to blast off a couple mags in a few minutes and get your barrel cherry red. also good for bringing friends to the range because i really don't want to splurge on mfs for that kind of range day
 
norinco ammo is great for when you just want to blast off a couple mags in a few minutes and get your barrel cherry red. also good for bringing friends to the range because i really don't want to splurge on mfs for that kind of range day

I think we agree?
MFS is about 1 point better than Norc in my book.
 
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