Tavor vs AR, Apples to Apples Comparison Part 1 (50 yards)
- Thread starter z71camaro
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WAT? Arya stark is a canadian gun nut?
If your rifle has trouble going through 500 rounds in a day, I have bad news for you. I expect a rifle designed to down hajis should be able to handle 500 no problem. We are talking about a tavor after all and not a t97
he's the one that said it jams after 300 rounds, not me...not my fault he's taken too many drugs...
Davy Crockett
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Hek76, please stop polluting this great thread !!
My Tavor has been good to me, few years and not a single malfunction.. The only beef I have with it is that it doesn't come apart easily and somewhat hard to clean.. Can't wait for RDB to come out!!!
Bullpups rule !!!!
My Tavor has been good to me, few years and not a single malfunction.. The only beef I have with it is that it doesn't come apart easily and somewhat hard to clean.. Can't wait for RDB to come out!!!
Bullpups rule !!!!
Hek76
Is a clicking clock waiting to get banned . Must have CGN buddies because it never seems to happen.
I posted mags is two places for 3 seconds before I could delete the first post already had an infraction . But he can piss people off in bulk and get away with it.
Tick tock tick tock
Is a clicking clock waiting to get banned . Must have CGN buddies because it never seems to happen.
I posted mags is two places for 3 seconds before I could delete the first post already had an infraction . But he can piss people off in bulk and get away with it.
Tick tock tick tock
Runningfool
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He's pink now. Glad to see it; now this thread can get back on track. I don't own a Tavor and it's not my thing but I've been thoroughly enjoying this thread aside from the hijacking.
Appreciate the effort z71camaro!
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Another thing I find weird is how vastly different each tavor shoots. I've seen a video of a guy doing 1 moa @100 (69gr I believe) and I've seen good shooters never beable to get under 3moa no matter what ammo they used.
I understand that 3 even 4-5 moa is acceptable for a "battle rifle". I am obviously accepting of this as I still own an xcr and tavor haha but I still can't help but dream of a 1moa battle rifle (non restricted)
I understand that 3 even 4-5 moa is acceptable for a "battle rifle". I am obviously accepting of this as I still own an xcr and tavor haha but I still can't help but dream of a 1moa battle rifle (non restricted)
I get 1.75 moa with vmax at 100 yards. I guess i have a good one?
speedjunkiesracing
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My sons with their Tavors 100 yards rested
Norc, AE, PMC, UMC, 53g Hornady Vmax, 63g Serria SP
Aimpoint Comp M3s all ammo 5-6 moa
Leupold VXR and IOR 1-4,all ammo 3-5 moa
Bushnell 6-24,
4-5 moa Norc
3-4 moa AE,UMC,PMC
2-4 moa with home loads, sure it could be better with some load development and a better trigger.
Norc, AE, PMC, UMC, 53g Hornady Vmax, 63g Serria SP
Aimpoint Comp M3s all ammo 5-6 moa
Leupold VXR and IOR 1-4,all ammo 3-5 moa
Bushnell 6-24,
4-5 moa Norc
3-4 moa AE,UMC,PMC
2-4 moa with home loads, sure it could be better with some load development and a better trigger.
I keep hearing this same story when guys rationalize this rifles' craptastic performance.
Putting bullets where they are aimed and squeezed off at is the rifles' primary attribute.
Considering most shooters in Canada utilize these as sporting or perhaps for varmint or predator control, the accuracy of a rifle could be fairly important.
There are a number of semi automatic rifles available that are considerably more accurate be it restricted or non-restricted.
Better than 2 moa and 1moa isn't particularly difficult to achieve these days with a semi auto,
so no need to compromise with a bolt gun, and certainly not with a Tavor. Ymmv.
Majority of stock rifles that people think are MOA are closer to 2 or more with factory ammo. Even with reloads, sub-moa takes a better rifle than most people realize.
How about a list of these sub-moa stock semi autos? With something to back the claims of course.
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Ayup. I have shot the HK SL8, the AR, the Tavor, and now the ACR-L and I couldn't get any of them to go sub MOA. The AR and SL8 were the best accuracy guns - but they were heavy barrels too. They typically seemed to run around 1.2~1.5 MOA.
The Tavor and the Robinson XCR are driving me nuts. I can get the Tavor (with the Timney trigger) under 2MOA but the Robinson is driving me batchit crazy. It is around 3 MOA...and it's always the same: two shots touching - and the third opens everything up to at least 3 MOA.
To get under 1 MOA with a semi auto you really need a serious barrel, trigger and optic to get it done - and all that in addition to good ammo and good shooting technique.
The Tavor and the Robinson XCR are driving me nuts. I can get the Tavor (with the Timney trigger) under 2MOA but the Robinson is driving me batchit crazy. It is around 3 MOA...and it's always the same: two shots touching - and the third opens everything up to at least 3 MOA.
To get under 1 MOA with a semi auto you really need a serious barrel, trigger and optic to get it done - and all that in addition to good ammo and good shooting technique.
The XCR is not only a long stroke piston, but the barrel is poorly secured by the pressure from one little allen key. I really hate quick change barrel rifles as you never get repeat accuracy and they cause issues down the road.
I really want to like the Tavor but the barrel design and how it mounts to the receiver is poorly thought out. It is a very solid gun and the quality is very good, but limited in the accuracy department. But maybe IWI will see the light and built a HB TAVOR
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I agree completely. lots of fib stories of sub moa semis on this forum...
I didn't claim sub-moa results, so you may want to work on reading and comprehension.
With reference to rifles that can obtain 1-2 moa with good quality ammo, the vast majority of quality ARs, SL-8, Sigs, FN FS2000, ACR that I've used and owned do that without issue. Proper groups (10 rounds), at range (none of this 3 rounds nonsense).
The majority of these rifles also don't have the accuracy completely fall apart past 300m either.
Lots of this has been documented, just do some digging.
I have yet to see a full account of the Tavors' capabilities on this site. Of the people going on about how well they shoot, I haven't seen them post results past 200m. I've yet to see one at a CQB, SR or three gun competition save for one which did very poorly (the owner claimed no zero on the optic).
I've owned one and gave up on it after around the 1000 round mark. I'd really like to get another, but I see the accuracy issue as a major design flaw with this thing.
