Throttle_monkey1
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The one I used had the flash hider machined into the barrel with continuous rifling. It was the three pronged type. Adding a flash hider and welding or pinning it on will not change barrel length in Canada.
Tavor vs. Swiss Arms
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The one I used had the flash hider machined into the barrel with continuous rifling. It was the three pronged type. Adding a flash hider and welding or pinning it on will not change barrel length in Canada.
Hmmm, so there is some magic way to hold the Swiss if you want to be able to hit anything and they are usually a loose fit between the upper and lower which you say is bad for accuracy yet it's a superior platform to the HK?
You're funny
It is a superior battle rifle, I'll give you that.
It isn't magic, it is the reality of firearms held together with push pins. The G36 & SL-8 are not immune to this.
You sure come off Smug for someone who appears to not know this stuff.
If you are talking 'battle/service rifles' I actually prefer the G36.
Off topic, thank you Steve for keeping the updates emotionless.
Back on topic.
I have two NR SA's and two Tavors.
I even have some FAMAE SG540s coming.
The SA and the Tavors are my 'never-sell' firearms.
If I had the money I would be all over a Carbine too.
Back on topic.
I have two NR SA's and two Tavors.
I even have some FAMAE SG540s coming.
The SA and the Tavors are my 'never-sell' firearms.
If I had the money I would be all over a Carbine too.
I am far from knowing it all but your statements seem to contradict from sentence to sentence. In one line you say it's more accurate than the HK then in the other you say it's not unless you hold it some special way. All I know is that from my results using both rifles the HK is superior in the accuracy department, and it should be since the barrel is much higher quality. I loved my Swiss and think it is the best built, smoothest action, and probably the most durable operating system of any semi auto rifle we have access to but a 5 MOA shift when transitioning from the bipod to supporting on the mag or just in front of the magwell is ridiculous, floated or not there is no way it should flex that much.
I'm talking about "civilian" battle rifles, ones we can actually own. I would rather have a G36 as well but alas, We can't have those here so it makes no difference.
If rifles held together with push pins need some voodoo hold explain how every AR I have or had shoots just fine off the bags that way.
I'd offer to meet you at the range one day to compare accuracy of the two rifles in a fun afternoon of 223 blasting but I worry that your ankle still may not have healed fully. Maybe Sharpshooter will join us this summer so you can school us on how it's impossible for us to shoot the rifles we have better than you think they are capable of shooting and while we're there you could show us the magic hold and we can shoot even tighter groups.
Thanks, but the only one coming off as a know it all is you and you get pissy whenever someone doesn't agree with you. Your experience isn't the only valid experience out there. Maybe you got a bad sample of a rifle you have a negative opinion of just like maybe the Swiss I got had something wrong with it. I'm not condemning it to hell just saying that from my exposure to it the rifle didn't perform to the levels it was hyped up to which had raised my expectations to levels that the rifle couldn't live up to.
For accuracy the HK excels and lives up to it's reputation. It isn't a battle rifle, it isn't a 3-gun rifle, but it is a cool rifle that can shoot better than most others.
To steer back on topic a little.
As for the Tavor, It seems to do everything it is advertised to do, it's no sniper rifle but it is accurate enough and so far seems to be holding up well. My only complaint with it is the price. If new ones (NR) were $2000-$2500 I think I would own one.
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I have an ACR in my future before a Tavor comes home with me. It's going to get a non restricted 223 and 300blk barrel then maybe a Tavor.
I liked the Tavor I played with but it isn't a must have on my list.
Can't find it on their website?
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If I knew how to use the search function I would look up the thread. But I can't... Either way don't challenge to meet beltfed, he did this before and then rolled his ankle which stopped him from shooting for 6 months lmao. It went a lot like this thread. He questioned another mans shooting skills. And when he was called out on it, he broke his own ankle lmao. Sorry but I couldn't help it
That's exactly the thread I was referencing, it was SharpshooterJr and his XCR-L beltfud didn't believe could shoot groups that good. I even offered to meet them if they ever set a date but it never happened. He was so confident it couldn't be done he offered to buy a steak dinner if he could repeat it with witnesses.
After a couple months he still couldn't drive a car to meet him in Red Deer.
How am I contradictory? Most every rifle out there with receivers will exhibit some flex between the two groups. This will likely manifest itself by showing a poi shift if holding onto only one portion when shooting. ARs, Sigs, H&Ks - lots do it - do some controlled dry and live firing if you don't believe me.
Tighter fit between the two receivers may eliminate or drastically reduce the shift. It is quite possible also the shooter is arrogant enough to not recognize it and be blaming other factors such as a faulty rifle, poor ammo, inexcusable barrel flex and even other shooters pointing out the obvious.
I'd do the same but I'll be honest, based on our less than civil discourse here, I very much doubt your much fun to be around.
That's the guy who had an XCR that shot better than most benchrest guns, then when it was time to prove it, promptly sold the unicorn and bought another one that then shot in the 3 moa range?
Pissy? I'm actually quite amused. I do find it a little odd that you (maybe throw 'Chago' in there too) find this unbelievable.
Lol I remember the magical xcr argument, classic! Lots of these magical rifles around blessed by Gandalf's staff, they shoot laser beams folks, hidden alien technology and everyone here is a sniper who were thought by secret navy seals that are forbidden to disclose their information because it's classified and they can shoot a quarter at 500 yards.
I'm lots of fun, especially at the range, I bring lots of toys and let everyone that's interested try them. I like to get people interested in black rifles by having fun and sharing my toys.
Did he sell it while you were recovering from you twisted ankle?
I don't understand why he would sell the one in a thousand XCR just to buy another one.
IchBinEinSniper
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Are there any threads on here that don't degrade at a similar rate as Copernicium (Cn)? I personally prefer the Swiss over the Israeli for everything but the weight distribution ( mind you the rock and lock is not as bad as some on this board have made it to be)...
IchBinEinSniper
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I have never seen so many snipers as you see here on this board...shooting the nuts off of knatts.
This is one of the platforms that someone actually posted pics of repeated sub moa groups with factory ammo. Shooting technique, knowledge, and optics are everything. I wouldn't take anything someone says is the accuracy of a rifle on this board as fact without proof.
What someone says the accuracy is, for me, is a minimum accuracy for a rifle.
This has been highly entertaining. If anyone is wondering how a typical Swiss Arms shoots with el cheapo American Eagle 55 grain in real life with no bs stories, here is a 300M 15 round group shot using an ACOG 3.5X optic.
300M
Shooting a Swiss Arms:
Step one: Go to range.
Step two: Remove bipod from rifle and throw it over your shoulder.
Step three: Adopt the prone position.
Step four: Rest magazine on the ground.
Step five: Aim.
Step six: Fire.
Repeat.
I still maintain that there was something going wrong with Cr5's rifle back when he had one.
300M
Shooting a Swiss Arms:
Step one: Go to range.
Step two: Remove bipod from rifle and throw it over your shoulder.
Step three: Adopt the prone position.
Step four: Rest magazine on the ground.
Step five: Aim.
Step six: Fire.
Repeat.
I still maintain that there was something going wrong with Cr5's rifle back when he had one.
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Steve Janes
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WoW, this is entertaining.
SharpshooterJR and his magical XCR (that he decided to sell, LOL) were so full of $hit. The guy claimed to have put 20 rounds, consecutively mind you, into two separate sub half MOA 10 round groups, using 5 round magazines. I wonder if he will ever have the balls to make such a claim again? Basically he called his own BS. Then to make it even more entertaining, Beltfed chimes in and challenges the guy, then when the challenge is accepted, he conveniently "twists" his ankle, which some how keeps him from driving to a range to sit in a chair and shoot for 4-5 months.
Anytime someone brings that thread up, I can't help but laugh
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WoW, this is entertaining.
SharpshooterJR and his magical XCR (that he decided to sell, LOL) were so full of $hit. The guy claimed to have put 20 rounds, consecutively mind you, into two separate sub half MOA 10 round groups, using 5 round magazines. Basically he called his own BS. Then to make it even more entertaining, Beltfed chimes in and challenges the guy, then when the challenge is accepted, he conveniently "twists" his ankle, which some how keeps him from driving to a range to sit in a chair and shoot for 4-5 months.
Anytime someone brings that thread up, I can't help but laugh
I don't blame ya
