Tenifer, Glock, and “Toughness” - One season’s guiding & bushpiloting on a G40
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Ardent
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I agree with you Gate, think it was mostly the recoil spring and perhaps oil, ordering a new recoil spring and a thanks to this thread for the Amazon link for the maritime spring cups, already ordered. Suspect without the oil the firing pin channel will soon collect enough salt and water that it does start slowing the firing pin so I’d rather be able to keep flushing it. That Remington looks Coastal, and like it’s collected some experiences.
At first I was startled by your post, as I was very concerned my wife had got ahold of a CGN account. You’ll have your slide pic when I’m back with my Glock, in the meantime assume no evidence no crime that’s good with me if it settles things down for you in the wait.
And Bob will send you a PM lots to chat about.
At first I was startled by your post, as I was very concerned my wife had got ahold of a CGN account. You’ll have your slide pic when I’m back with my Glock, in the meantime assume no evidence no crime that’s good with me if it settles things down for you in the wait.
And Bob will send you a PM lots to chat about.
I recall an excellent report on oils and rust that tested many products. I will look for it.
The One SHot Hornady spray oil did very well and I bought a case of it.
A rust preventive gunk suitable for storing a gun might be terrible to use on and in a gun that has to be ready to fire. In cooler weather, the gunk could stop a gun (stricker fired) from firing.
Seems to me that you need a spray on product you can regularly spray and flush your pistol with. You have a benchmark - WD40. Try something else. G96 and One Shot would be on my list. Whatever it is, it has to be thin enough to not gum up the striker pin channel. One Shot is very light and looks to be perfect for the inside of a gun.
This test included G96:
http://www.dayattherange.com/?page_id=3667
This guy tested with a caustic salty brew.
The One SHot Hornady spray oil did very well and I bought a case of it.
A rust preventive gunk suitable for storing a gun might be terrible to use on and in a gun that has to be ready to fire. In cooler weather, the gunk could stop a gun (stricker fired) from firing.
Seems to me that you need a spray on product you can regularly spray and flush your pistol with. You have a benchmark - WD40. Try something else. G96 and One Shot would be on my list. Whatever it is, it has to be thin enough to not gum up the striker pin channel. One Shot is very light and looks to be perfect for the inside of a gun.
This test included G96:
http://www.dayattherange.com/?page_id=3667
This guy tested with a caustic salty brew.
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Ardent
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
The G96 chorus hasn’t fallen on deaf ears though I haven’t responded to it, I like it and have used it a lot over the years, best smelling oil out there. Should run it next season and see.
I can't believe I'm going to wade in here, but...
If all you ever do is shake the gun in river water and once in a while spray it with WD40, you are not maintaining your tools in a reasonable manner.
These are still mechanical things with small corrodable parts. The slide might be Tennifer (likely not given the age of the gun - they use a less robust but more environmentally friendly finish now), but not everything is.
In the military, guns are generally not tennifer and seen worse conditions. The difference? They maintain them on a semi-regular basis with appropriate methods that don't include river water and WD40. They do include cleaning patches, solvents, oils and rags.
I find it hard to believe you are away from decent tools and lubes for long enough to make the gun work unreliably. I don't want to judge, but I would suggest you could be doing more to help that gun resist the environment without jeopardizing the quality of the service you provide to clients.
If you fear for your safety enough to carry it, you need to bite the bullet and give it a reasonable level of attention and maintenance like the rest of your gear.
And by the way... stainless guns will have the same issue. Stainless guns rarely are all stainless and do contain springs, screws, etc. Stainless also does rust in salt water. It just takes longer - probably comparable to a tennifer slide.
If all you ever do is shake the gun in river water and once in a while spray it with WD40, you are not maintaining your tools in a reasonable manner.
These are still mechanical things with small corrodable parts. The slide might be Tennifer (likely not given the age of the gun - they use a less robust but more environmentally friendly finish now), but not everything is.
In the military, guns are generally not tennifer and seen worse conditions. The difference? They maintain them on a semi-regular basis with appropriate methods that don't include river water and WD40. They do include cleaning patches, solvents, oils and rags.
I find it hard to believe you are away from decent tools and lubes for long enough to make the gun work unreliably. I don't want to judge, but I would suggest you could be doing more to help that gun resist the environment without jeopardizing the quality of the service you provide to clients.
If you fear for your safety enough to carry it, you need to bite the bullet and give it a reasonable level of attention and maintenance like the rest of your gear.
And by the way... stainless guns will have the same issue. Stainless guns rarely are all stainless and do contain springs, screws, etc. Stainless also does rust in salt water. It just takes longer - probably comparable to a tennifer slide.
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- West Quebec
Nice idea, will try it out
if you look my post #48 i already posted it one of your link ...
in the military we used break CLP NATO bottle will it be for bolt FRF1, FAMAS, MAS 49-56 and pistol but first cleaned by a lovely petreoleum produce ....
Ok, probably a completely stupid thought, but here goes...
It seems to me that this isn't a gun that you use regularly when out "there". It's on your hip as a life insurance policy. Is there a way to seal the gun up to keep the elements out that wouldn't affect the functioning? Sort of like having it inside a plastic bag, but maybe a bit more technical
Of course, once fired, the seal would be gone, but I would think that would be the least of your concerns, considering why it would be fired.
It seems to me that this isn't a gun that you use regularly when out "there". It's on your hip as a life insurance policy. Is there a way to seal the gun up to keep the elements out that wouldn't affect the functioning? Sort of like having it inside a plastic bag, but maybe a bit more technical
Of course, once fired, the seal would be gone, but I would think that would be the least of your concerns, considering why it would be fired.
Ok, probably a completely stupid thought, but here goes...
It seems to me that this isn't a gun that you use regularly when out "there". It's on your hip as a life insurance policy. Is there a way to seal the gun up to keep the elements out that wouldn't affect the functioning? Sort of like having it inside a plastic bag, but maybe a bit more technical
Of course, once fired, the seal would be gone, but I would think that would be the least of your concerns, considering why it would be fired.
Lol if you had to trust your life to your ability to properly draw and fire a pistol, would you want it to be in a ####ing ziplock??
Lol if you had to trust your life to your ability to properly draw and fire a pistol, would you want it to be in a ####ing ziplock??
Not.....exactly what I had in mind
Thinking there has to be some system out there that's a bit less.......Tupperware for the Tupperware.
Thinking more along the line of something that seals the gun in the holster, but remains with the holster and pulls apart when you pull the gun.
Seems to me that what is really needed is a weatherproof storage system that doesn't preclude easy access rather than an easy access holster that leaves the gun exposed, requiring constant maintenance.
I'm approaching this from a boating point of view, where portable devices like radios are often stored in soft plastic systems to weatherproof, but that still allow use of the device.
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What we require is a change on the law that insists on "Open Carry" for those who hold Wilderness Permits. That might be a start...just saying.
Given our environment on the Coast it would be far more practical to carry under an open rain jacket. It would not be perfect but certainly would help. My average draw time playing the games runs to 1.5 seconds from concealed and 1.2 seconds from open carry. Certainly not as fast as some but that is what they are. 3 tenths of a second isn't much to give up when I know the gun is more likely to go bang when I want it to.
For those who carry up here in the bush without permits I would not be going to far out on the limb to suggest they carry their handgun under there coat. Keeps the rain out I am told.
Take Care
Bob
Given our environment on the Coast it would be far more practical to carry under an open rain jacket. It would not be perfect but certainly would help. My average draw time playing the games runs to 1.5 seconds from concealed and 1.2 seconds from open carry. Certainly not as fast as some but that is what they are. 3 tenths of a second isn't much to give up when I know the gun is more likely to go bang when I want it to.
For those who carry up here in the bush without permits I would not be going to far out on the limb to suggest they carry their handgun under there coat. Keeps the rain out I am told.
Take Care
Bob
Ardent
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Wet, salty, and sandy doesn’t make sense of this place for people suggesting military guns go through worse. This is a destructive testing environment pretty well perfectly designed, my Mossberg 590A1 dying a 1 season death.
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- West Quebec
Beautiful country though..
Waynetheman
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Military gun not maintained the way it’s supposed to is hardly the guns fault is it? I mean if you guys have to fly into the bush on helicopters maintained with swamp water and wd40 would you still trust your life to it? Would you be upset that it only lasted one season? Or would you be ok cause your schedule was too hectic to do it the right way?
sikwhiskey
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WD-40 is junk, as you now realise? Over the last 15 years working in the oil & gas industry i have tested many oils on steel in extremely corrosive, 10-30% salt produced water, dust, sand, high pressure/heat/cold. WD-40 for corrosion protection would rate right in there with urinating on any of your steel parts.
You would be better off using a bit of your Air plane fuel. Better yet mix a bit of fuel-kerosene with ATF or syn 0-40 motor oil 50/50, dump on, wipe off leaving only a wet sheen. Will last weeks without rusting. G96 works well, its what i use on all my firearms, its a bit to $$ for oilfield work, a can should last you awhile though.
Good luck with your endeavours.
Ive been thinking about a custom USP converted to 10mm............
You would be better off using a bit of your Air plane fuel. Better yet mix a bit of fuel-kerosene with ATF or syn 0-40 motor oil 50/50, dump on, wipe off leaving only a wet sheen. Will last weeks without rusting. G96 works well, its what i use on all my firearms, its a bit to $$ for oilfield work, a can should last you awhile though.
Good luck with your endeavours.
Ive been thinking about a custom USP converted to 10mm............
I appreciate Ardent posting his thoughts and experiences re. using a gun daily in a very rough environment. Don’t sweat the haters Angus. We use tools very hard at work in ways that would shock those unfamiliar with the situations and the cost benefit analysis. A DA trigger pull on a revolver is not easy when shooting fast, especially if your fingers are not giant sized. What about a semi-custom revolver with trigger work and the right grip for you? Cheaper that buying Glocks by the case.
