Testing Criteria for Take Down, back pack, hiking and survival 22 cal rifles

Perhaps add the X-22 maple one to the list along side the 10/22 takedown. the storage features and what the fore-end locks when stowed is clever.
 
You might as well stock up on a bunch of common .22lr ammo as well as some more expensive match ammo, do paper groups with all the ammo at 25 and 50 yards. That way we can see which of your guns shoots the best with a range of ammo and you can find out which ammo your guns prefer.
Win-win...... :)
 
wayupnorth said:
so question.

if i was going to test these guns what would be a better way to test them.
options:
1) run them stock - no cleaning no nothing just out of the box and into the firing line.
2) full take down and cleaning and treating them with G96 then into the firing line.
3) full take down and cleaning and clean up of action and such - smoothing seer/hammer ect, fixing whatever needs fixing to get the gun to top shelf action - then into the firing line.

im kinda thinking #1.
i dont think #3 is practical for most people so wouldnt give a fair 'off the shelf' point of view?
i was kinda thinking of #2 but if i do that then the cold weather testing would be kinda pointless as the G96 would (or should) stop any cold related problems.

so im leaning towards #1 but kinda wanna do #2.

any thoughts anyone?
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Since some of your guns have already been shot you won't be able to do a fresh out of the box review on all of them.
I'd say a full strip, noting any factory defects and fixing if necessary on the guns, and then lube with the same appropriate cold weather lube on all guns to make it as fair as possible.
 
One test I would include is extremes of ammo. Not a full brick ($!!) but 10-20 rounds to check function and changes in impact.

I'd include Stinger, any HV, standard velocity, and some Aguila 60gr SS if you can find it. You are probably going to standardize on whatever shoots best; but it is very useful to have a sticker or note in the gun to tell you where to aim with found ammo.
 
last gun finally arrived tonight fresh from Calgary!

Papoose is in stock!!!

and guess who goes on his week off starting in..... 9 hours!
looks like i know what ill be starting to do tomorrow!

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ya..... im underwhelmed with the Papoose so far.
uncomfy to hold and...... oh there i go getting ahead of myself!

gonna start full take downs tonight and doing some cold weather shooting tomorrow with all the guns.
have some nice cold weather this next week so im gonna have them out hopefully every day for at least a hour to try them all out.

scope is the only thing i dont have yet so good accuracy test and return to zero tests will be done last.
im right now just making a master list of what to test off of what i read from above posts.
ill post the master list here in a bit to see if anything is missing before i get started.
 
Sounds like you would like the Browning SA, if you think the Papoose is hard to hold..... the Henry is the same you need to hold it around the magazine which I find pretty comfortable off hand as you can rest your elbow against your body for more support.
There is a company in the States making extended foreend/locking collars for the Papoose but it sort of defeats the purpose in my mind.

It will be interesting to see the groups you get rested at 25 and 50 yards with different ammo and maybe others can chime in with similar rifles and ammo shooting form a rest at the same distances to see if there are any trends.......
 
cold weather test is done.
put all 4 guns in a rubbermaid tub full of snow and left it outside for 24 hours.
just got back from range.
im sooooOOooOooOooOoooOoOooOooOoo cold!
its a balmy -24 out today plus windchill!

i always forget how cold brass is outside in the cold until i reload mags.
 
If survival is the main criteria then simplicity and reliability have to be what you are looking for,with compactness running third.Ammo storage in the butt stock would be appropriate
 
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ratherbefishin said:
If survival is the main criteria then simplicity and reliability have to be what you are looking for,with compactness running third.Ammo storage in the butt stock would be appropriate
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none of them have any storage in them.
which is funny because for the Papoose i was thinking to myself as i was playing with it.... if they made a pack rifle that NEEDS a tool to take down and put together why in the hell didnt they make storage for it in the butt of the gun so that you always have it with the gun and never loose it?????????
 
I'm looking at my JW15a(backpacker) and thinking it wouldn't be that hard to fit a storage container in the butt stock....extra ammo,waterproof matches,fire starter , ,whistle,maybe even a small single blade folder knife(Gerber?)none of this takes up much room and could make the diference in surviving or not..
 
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Can-down said:
You might as well stock up on a bunch of common .22lr ammo as well as some more expensive match ammo, do paper groups with all the ammo at 25 and 50 yards. That way we can see which of your guns shoots the best with a range of ammo and you can find out which ammo your guns prefer.
Win-win...... :)
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I think sticking to hunting ammo would be thematically appropriate. How well they group with subsonic match rounds might be interesting, but like shooting them with an expensive target scope, it's a little beside the point (not that I wouldn't be interested in the results all the same...)
 
question.
people are asking about 'return to zero' testing.

return to zero from what?
take the optics off and put back on and test OR take the gun down and put back together return to zero???

i would assume (ASSUME) that taking the gun down and putting back together would not change anything with the accuracy - at least i dont think it would....
but taking off the optics and putting back on probably would.

unless..... a fella where to put the optics on a once piece base?????
 
I think you are overthinking things, let's just start with the iron sights, then mount an optic and see what you can do with the optic...... if you notice that the optic does not stay sighted in when you remove the barrel and reinstall, you can let us know..... likewise if taking the gun down for storage/transport then mounting for use shows no real difference as far as point of aim with the ammo you sighted in with...... you can tell us that..... :)
Some of the guns like the lil badger this issue won't be relevant.
 
chanman said:
I think sticking to hunting ammo would be thematically appropriate. How well they group with subsonic match rounds might be interesting, but like shooting them with an expensive target scope, it's a little beside the point (not that I wouldn't be interested in the results all the same...)
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I agree match ammo is the least important, specially when some guns will shoot many types of ammo well and others can be picky.
 
wayupnorth said:
none of them have any storage in them.
which is funny because for the Papoose i was thinking to myself as i was playing with it.... if they made a pack rifle that NEEDS a tool to take down and put together why in the hell didnt they make storage for it in the butt of the gun so that you always have it with the gun and never loose it?????????
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The Papoose has a hollow buttstock but to get access you have to unscrew the two buttpad screws and pull really hard while using a tool to help coax the buttpad out, as it is very tight in there. There are better (step by step) instructions on the Marlinowners forum. Once it's out you have to carefully sand its perimeter so it will fit snugly back in but is more easily removable.
Now you have access to a big cavernous storage space for spare mags, barrel wrench, etc.

Anyway.... looking forward to seeing your results!
 
Can-down said:
I think you are overthinking things, let's just start with the iron sights, then mount an optic and see what you can do with the optic...... if you notice that the optic does not stay sighted in when you remove the barrel and reinstall, you can let us know..... likewise if taking the gun down for storage/transport then mounting for use shows no real difference as far as point of aim with the ammo you sighted in with...... you can tell us that..... :)
Some of the guns like the lil badger this issue won't be relevant.
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Roger!
 
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