The 270 Winchester and old myths.

[Why not?]

And what real world hunting experience has led you to such an erroneous conclusion?

Yes, this should be interesting................

 

[Pathfinder]

Brand new rifles chambered in .280 can come in any of the x-bolt rifles, or a Remington 700 MTN Rifle LSS.
Only a couple years ago, maybe even last year, you could get Ruger rifles in .280.

No, the .280 isn't as popular as the .270, but that's part of it's allure. The people who like the .280 usually are the types that are drawn to oddball cartridges just to be 'different'.

I know what you're saying, I like oddballs too.

Still pretty hard to find a 280 on a rack and its not because they are selling like hotcakes.

So anyways back to our scheduled programming. 270's and 30'06 chambering suck.....just because

 

[Why not?]

Well, I didn't say there was no selection. I said there was better selection with 7mm products. Especially if you want to shoot multiple disciplines from one caliber.

No response, probably didn't get to reading it again as quick as others do.

Nothing wrong with the .270, have one here.some 7mm, some 30 cal.

Simply stated that there was more stuff out there available. It is no myth, there is more bullet selection available in 7mm than .270, Fact, go do a search.

Good day, Kelly. I think BUM captured your concerns quite well with his response.

I did a quick search because I tend to trust what Ted has to say and wanted to see if there really was a glaring difference between the availability of .277" and .284" bullets. And I don't believe in picking on the elderly.

I checked the major North American manufacturers Barnes, Sierra, Speer, Swift, Nosler and Hornady and what I found was that from the 6 major manufacturers there are 58 bullets available in .277" and 75 in .284". So on one hand there are 17 more .284" bullets on the market than .277".

That said, Ted's point was that there is more than ample variety and supply of .277" bullets available. That's worth investigating. There is everything from a 90grain Speer TNT to the 150 grain A-Frame available in .277 and everything from the 110 grain TNT to the 175 A-Frame in .284". You do get a bit more SD with the 7mm and 175s than you do with the 270 and 160s, but I don't know that .012 is much to argue over (that said we are debating 7 thou difference in bullet diameter).

Anyone who claims that having 58 different bullets from 6 manufacturers isn't enough selection has a serious case of being overly picky. If 58 different bulelts isn't enough variety then you need to stick to 30 caliber and be done with it. You'd likely go into a catatonic state if you ever went shopping for .366" bullets. 8 bullets is slim pickins. 58, not so much.

BUM, as you and quite a few more of us well know, the "slim pickins" of only eight bullets for the 9.3 is more than enough. I got along with just one, the 286 gr Norma DC, for more than 25 years, and could still manage with just that bullet weight. This further illustrates the point that enormous variety in choice of bullets is, as Supercub mentions, moot.

Ted

 

[Mike Webb]

I think the .270 has been popular and remains so because it works, it makes stuff dead, long range and short, year after year, 80 or so in fact. It does it without a "wide selection of bullet weights", excessive muzzle blast, heavy recoil, the magic word magnum or gun writers singing it's praises. There is no point in tearing it down, it's a fine cartridge and anyone who says it isn't really doesn't know too much. And no, I don't own one so I'm not biased whatsoever,

 

[rgv]

BUM, as you and quite a few more of us well know, the "slim pickins" of only eight bullets for the 9.3 is more than enough. I got along with just one, the 286 gr Norma DC, for more than 25 years, and could still manage with just that bullet weight. This further illustrates the point that enormous variety in choice of bullets is, as Supercub mentions, moot. Ted

to add to that, loading a bunch of different weight bullets in a hunting rifle is counterproductive.

Shoot one bullet style and weight with one powder charge. Learn one trajectory path.

Switch to premiums when necessary, and cheaper stuff when you can get away with it.

Hunting is hard enough, keep the shooting hardware part simple.

 

[BrotherRockeye]

hard to beat the .270 for overall performance I think.After years of bouncin from caliber to caliber and all over the map I'm back to shootin .270 again...
All I got from it was a fairly impressive die collection,and a renewed appreciation for the .270...it's good to be back!
oh and there is sfa that my 300wsm can do that my .270 can't.

 

[Johnn Peterson]

to add to that, loading a bunch of different weight bullets in a hunting rifle is counterproductive.

Shoot one bullet style and weight with one powder charge. Learn one trajectory path.

Switch to premiums when necessary, and cheaper stuff when you can get away with it.
Hunting is hard enough, keep the shooting hardware part simple.

Good point and as I stated earlier on, that's the plan. 130gr and 150gr Sierrs SBT's to help me get used to my recent acquisition and Barnes 130gr TTSX for use on game.

 

[noneck180]

Way to destroy any credibility you may have.

While there are reasons to not choose a .270 for a particular job because other rounds may be more appropriate, statements like that are just silly. "They suck", is not logical discussion or argument at all - unless maybe you're 12.

I don't need credibilty from anyone..lol..I make my own decisions.

270 still sucks..

 

[chuck nelson]

270 still sucks..

How Ironic. I'm certain it was the last thing to go through this poor bull's mind.

 

[noneck180]

Okay,,270 is the greatest, most wonderful cartridge ever developed..what I would do to have one in my gun cabinet.

 

[blargon]

Okay,,270 is the greatest, most wonderful cartridge ever developed..what I would do to have one in my gun cabinet.

Its not the greatest. No one cartridge is the best for everything or everyone. No such thing. But, its no better or worse than any other cartridge, based on any case.

 

[Huntin' Gun]

Just curious, Noneck, if you could tell us WHY you hate the .270 and any other '06 based cartridge? Not being a jerk, just wondering. You've made your own decisions, and so what exactly contributed to those decisions previously mentioned.

Like I said, just curious.

 

[martinbns]

I actually think the old myth is that is is a great cartridge.

It's in too heavy in recoil to be considered with light cartridges like the 6.5 swede or 257 Bob, it's not really hard hitting like a full jam 30-06 load with similar recoil, and it's not really all that flat like a 257 roy or even a 25-06.

Tell me, you are returning to your moose kill in the bush and at thirty yards you discover there is a large grizzly on your moose. What would you rather have in your hands, a 257 Weatherbey, with your choice of bullet, a 25-06, with your choice of bullet, or a 270 Winchester with 150 grain Nosler partition bullets?

I'd rather have a 300 win mag with 180 gr or 200 gr TSX bullets. That was my point exactly...sort of.

 

[martinbns]

Didn't you shoot a 7 SAUM for a year? I have considerable experience with the cartridge, and others and say your statements lack real world credibility. It is flat, it is low recoil, and it's dropped everything from deer at 504yds to a moose at 350 with one shot. I had to move up to a .338 to find any visible at the shot impact difference and even then, it's pay off wasn't needed. With 70+ big game animals under my belt, I'd pace it with the .300's for 95% of the opportunities I would emerging upon. The voice of experience with this cartridge seems to speak similarly. Keep your day job.

Is Jack O'Connor still alive?

I don't know why you guys get p/o'd when I state the obvious.

The 270 is a middle of the road, mediocre cartridge that suffers in every way except trajectory (which I can manage) to the other mediocre all rounder the 30-06. The 30-06 is a vastly superior killer to the 270 with virtually identical recoil and close enough trajectory.

BTW, I got rid of the Saum for mostly the same reason.

 

[horseman2]

Sometimes posts get high jacked.
Some comments are taken out of context.
H4831 had an interesting comment the other day . . . with the advent of computers he is now an expert . . . not an exact quote but I took out of it what I wanted.
When a thread starts going off track, rather than getting involved I apply a principle that goes something like this: "You never win a pi$$ing contest with a skunk"!

 

[Calum]

The 270 is a middle of the road, mediocre cartridge that suffers in every way except trajectory (which I can manage) to the other mediocre all rounder the 30-06. The 30-06 is a vastly superior killer to the 270 with virtually identical recoil and close enough trajectory.

BTW, I got rid of the Saum for mostly the same reason.

Hmmm and the US military designers and engineers say the .308 is an improvement on the 30/06.

 

[Pathfinder]

The 30-06 is a vastly superior killer to the 270

I guess you are going to tell us how you came to that conclusion

Just curious.

 

[Papaclaude]

I don't need credibilty from anyone..lol..I make my own decisions.

270 still sucks..

Yep, and Ford is better than Dodge,which is better than GM, yadda yadda. It's all a matter of preference. For me, I'm partial to a big chunk of lead over a fast-moving lighter bullet, but this doesn't mean that the .22 WhizzBang isn't a good cartridge, or the 270, or the 300 Win. Mag. Whatever turns your crank and deadifies any critter you shoot at.

BTW,my favourite hunting rifle was a Sharps replica 45-110 (still kick myself in the butt for selling it), followed by a Ruger No. 1 375 H&H (not really sorry I sold that one). Now my "Go to" is a .308. It'll do anything I want it to out to 350 yds. Would i say of any of these that it's the best cartridge out there? not on your life. It's kinda like politics and religion - stay away from those subjects unless you're looking for a fight.

 

[chuck nelson]

The 30-06 is a vastly superior killer to the 270 with virtually identical recoil and close enough trajectory.

That's a stretch.

 

[rral22]

I don't need credibilty from anyone..lol..I make my own decisions. 270 still sucks..

Okay,,270 is the greatest, most wonderful cartridge ever developed..what I would do to have one in my gun cabinet.

You should look up the word "credibility".

You don't get credibility from anyone, ever. You create it for yourself by making credible arguments and giving sound advice. You destroy it by making silly, incredible statements and giving ridiculous advice - and maybe by not even knowing what the word means.

Carry on revealing things you have no intention of revealing.