Originally Posted by RickF
One safe bet. The greater the "difference" you see between any cartridges from 257 Roberts to the 300mags...the less actual experience you haveI like that enough to immortalize it with a quote.
that is good
The 270 Winchester and old myths.
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I may have stolen it from someone else but it was so long ago I've forgotten! Hard to have an original thought in this game...
All I mean is that if a person takes a great bullet and launches it at reasonable speed, the animal won't ever know if it started life as a 25 or 30 cal. Or whether the cartridge was created last year or in 1892.
We stress over minutiae because it entertains us, but it really doesn't mean much.
All I mean is that if a person takes a great bullet and launches it at reasonable speed, the animal won't ever know if it started life as a 25 or 30 cal. Or whether the cartridge was created last year or in 1892.
We stress over minutiae because it entertains us, but it really doesn't mean much.
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Must agree, seems if we don't get a debate going in the threads that the readers loose interest in a hurry.
Just re-name a cartridge and the debate can start again.
Just re-name a cartridge and the debate can start again.
Johnn Peterson
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A C.I.L. bullet I had great luck with in an old model 99 Savage in 30-30 was the Pneumatic. Shortly after my 'stash' of them ran out I traded off the old Savage.
One of my 270s, a 1958 vintage Mod. 70 prefers a 160 gr. CIL KKSP bullet over any other tried.... luckily I still have about 700 left..
You just kicked it up another notch on the kool factor.
Only gotten one deer with that bullet so far. I think the way it went through it is still going. 200gr might be more than I need for whitetail.Wish I could find some in 25 cal.
Johnn,
You know that full metal case bullets don't work on game, don't you?
I'll bet there are very few of us old farts on here who even know what that bullet looked like, never mind how it worked.
Ted
Who cares.
Stubby, you are starting to get healed up, and back to your regular cantankerous self! Glad you are feeling better................
Ted
Johnn Peterson
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Johnn,
You know that full metal case bullets don't work on game, don't you?
I'll bet there are very few of us old farts on here who even know what that bullet looked like, never mind how it worked.
Ted
Every once in a while
one lucks out and comes across treasures like that, which are no longer available. Just recently I acquired two boxes of 200gr Winchester Silvertips for my model 71, in 348 WCF. And another bit of a treasure I obtained from you for my 358 NM, a box of Hornady 275gr RN. Now I'll have to see if I can put them to 'good use'.
Johnn,
You know that full metal case bullets don't work on game, don't you?
I'll bet there are very few of us old farts on here who even know what that bullet looked like, never mind how it worked.
Ted
Darn, I guess I must fit the class, I remember them! Metal covered, a bit rounded nose with a dimple in the middle, instead of a point.
Johnn Peterson
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There were a number of Deer here on the Island that 'wintered' in my deep freeze because of them.
'wintered' in my deep freeze because of them.One of my 270s, a 1958 vintage Mod. 70 prefers a 160 gr. CIL KKSP bullet over any other tried.... luckily I still have about 700 left..
KKSP stands for Kling Kore Soft Point, a type of bullet that CIL / Imperial used in several chamberings. The lead core was actually crimped into the bullet casing.
Having used it in several different rifles I found it to be an excellent hunting bullet and a very accurate one as well.
The batch I currently have shoot very well in my 270 and 270/08 easily matching or exceeding any modern day bullets tried.
Will try to post some pics if I can remember where my camera is hiding..
You mean these ones?
You can see the stabs punched into the jacket pretty well, here.
They really worked. Expanded bullets would have little curls of lead coming out of the stab punches, the result of the lead core trying to slide out of the jacket.
Ted
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It is interesting to hear about the pnuematic bullets. My father talks about them quite a lot. He used to use an old remington pump in 25-20 for deer when he was young (he is 83 now) and he said that if you could get one of those in the ribs of a deer it was a dead deer!
He shoot 7 deer one year over a 2 week season and 5 of them where bucks with 2 going over 225lb field dressed. Most people today would think you where crazy using a 25-20 for deer!
Well, we've sort of got away from the 270 subject, but we are sorting out the myths from the truths, so here is a picture of the old KKSP bullets loaded up, ready for moose. And the moose this type of bullet hit, would end up just as dead as the modern moose hit by the super magnums, loaded with bullets of fancy names.
Interesting to note that way back in those dark ages, when we had to live with those old pre 64 Winchesters, CIL loaded their ammo with "Oil Proof Primers."
Interesting to note that way back in those dark ages, when we had to live with those old pre 64 Winchesters, CIL loaded their ammo with "Oil Proof Primers."
Johnn,
You know that full metal case bullets don't work on game, don't you?
I'll bet there are very few of us old farts on here who even know what that bullet looked like, never mind how it worked.
Ted
I have a few of those! They do look like a FMJ with a dimple for a tip right? So they worked well?
Johnn Peterson
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That's the ones and yes, they worked really well for me. They were 'the cats meow' on Deer out of my old 99 Savage in 30-30.
25-20 pnuematic, I have a couple boxes of them.
Sorry about pic quality, all my pics turn out that way
a slightly better pic
