The .300 Debate

Eagleye said:
No rifle of mine will EVER wear a muzzle brake...period.
If I cannot shoot it comfortably without a brake, It is not for me.
Eagleye.
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:)Gotta' agree. I have a fairly varied selection available from .22LR to 458WM. Even with an unaddressed torn right rotator, as long as I keep my right elbow tucked down, no problems. I do have one firearm with a muzzle brake as that's the only way they were available at that time. A handgun in 500 S&W. If it wasn't for the fact it shoots so well with virtually any load combo I run through it, I'd have the barrel changed out ASAP!! However,If the 'opportunity' presents itself;)......................... .
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Hotwheels81 said:
LoL...

A brake has a time and a place... I on the other hand firmly believe a lead sled is an utter waste of time and money and for the most part breeds a large crop of hunters who wound game and step far beyond there abilitys too quickly...

Say what you will about a brake but recoil intollerent people who use brakes know the only punishment is noise whilst folks without a brake know its going to hurt so there is jerking pulling and flinching... I have seen all sides of the argument and firmly believe in muzzle brakes.
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BigUglyMan said:
Muzzle brakes are the crutch of the over-gunned and under-practiced. They encourage the carriage of arms of insufficient weight and excessive power by those neither inclined to practice nor capable of the proper employment of such a rifle. Anyone who has hunted with someone using a rifle with a brake on it can attest to the obnoxious nature of such a rifle.
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Was at the range a while ago and Buddy showed up with a rifle that had a huge-ass brake on it. He set up and began to shoot.
I couldn't believe the concussion and muzzle blast from that f**king thing! It was awful, just being down the range from that thing. It was like he was touching off a howitzer. So I asked him what he was shooting and it was a .308Win. I couldn't believe such a mild cartridge could be turned into such a hateful thing with just a simple muzzle brake.

I DETEST muzzle brakes.
 
C'mon up to the range in Valleyview on Sunday and put your eyeball behind my 8-32x56 and squeeze off a couple 210vld's over 79gr of H1000... As long as your behind the scope you don't notice anything but the lack of recoil...


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Hotwheels81 said:
C'mon up to the range in Valleyview on Sunday and put your eyeball behind my 8-32x56 and squeeze off a couple 210vld's over 79gr of H1000... As long as your behind the scope you don't notice anything but the lack of recoil...


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If I meet you I will make sure to wear ear plugs and ear muffs on top of my ear plugs. Double protection for sure. Good luck. Thanks for the offer but I will pass. Rather be kicked in the nut$.
 
Demonical said:
Was at the range a while ago and Buddy showed up with a rifle that had a huge-ass brake on it. He set up and began to shoot.
I couldn't believe the concussion and muzzle blast from that f**king thing! It was awful, just being down the range from that thing. It was like he was touching off a howitzer. So I asked him what he was shooting and it was a .308Win. I couldn't believe such a mild cartridge could be turned into such a hateful thing with just a simple muzzle brake.

I DETEST muzzle brakes.
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So I asked him what he was shooting and it was a .308Win. I couldn't believe such a mild cartridge could be turned into such a hateful thing with just a simple muzzle brake.

LOL.
 
I totally agree on the muzzle brake, either learn to deal with the recoil or get less powerful cartridge.

I didn't bother with the first 4 pages of the thread.

I am a fan of the 300 win mag, I had a lightweight 300 WSM and recoil was a bit much. I added about a pound when I got the Win mag and recoil was fine.

I found the 300 hits harder than a 30-06, quite a bit flatter, tried a weatherby and all I felt was an increase in recoil with minimal in crease in velocity.
 
Yikes... I guess the brake argument has gottem more heated than the fast .30 debate! Some of us are obviously pretty passionate about this. I'm sitting somewhere along the fence on this one. The only rifle I have with a brake is a 13lb .338LM... it is easily more comfortable to shoot than my 6 1/2lb .270 and the blast is noticeable but not obnoxious as long as you are BEHIND the gun, where the shooter and bystanders should be. I see it as a situational and personal preference thing... Brakes obviously have their pros and cons, but they are not the Devil.
 
AlexF said:
I would mainly look at what is your rifle's intended use:
  • Are you looking for a "Super 308 Win" ? Get a 300 WSM.
  • Are you looking for a "338 Win Mag Lite" ? Get a 300 WM.

The practical differences between the 2 cartridges are:
  1. 300 WSM rifles are 1/2 pound lighter and often 2 1/2" shorter (major issue for mountain rifles)
  2. 300 WM handles 200+ gr bullets much better (major issue for long range big game hunting)

This debate is very similar to the 308 Win vs 30-06 debate: not much to argue once you've decided what are your needs and even if you pick the "wrong" cartridge, you've still made the right choice.

Alex
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I like this comparison of the WM and the WSM.

The WSM's are not alien technology produced at AREA 51 as some would tell you defying the laws of terrestial physics, merely cartridges approaching an already established niche or benchmark in a shorter action.

Bravo AlexF.;)
 
IMHO a 30-06 with a 150gr tsx/gmx @3000fps will do anything you need from a .30 cal. If that's not enough you need a bigger diameter bullet not a faster bullet.

Cheers
 
Hotwheels81 said:
LoL...

A brake has a time and a place... I on the other hand firmly believe a lead sled is an utter waste of time and money and for the most part breeds a large crop of hunters who wound game and step far beyond there abilitys too quickly...

Say what you will about a brake but recoil intollerent people who use brakes know the only punishment is noise whilst folks without a brake know its going to hurt so there is jerking pulling and flinching... I have seen all sides of the argument and firmly believe in muzzle brakes.
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The punishment from the muzzle blast can actually be much WORSE than that of the recoil. Jim Carmichel wrote in an article long ago how WWII US army rifle instructors were having nervous breakdowns because of the repeated exposure to muzzle blast. The solution was to issue them ear plugs.

I know my shoulder can put up with a lot more abuse than my ears can, so no rilfe of mine will ever be fitted with a muzzle break. Had a .338 so fitted once, couldn't get rid of it fast enough.

There are other solutions to those who feel they might be recoil sensitive, like a P.A.S.T. recoil pad. Use it for practice and you will never notice the recoil when shooting at game. Ask any duck hunter if he notices the recoil of a 12 ga. when pass shooting, and most 12 ga. shotguns don't kick any harder than a .300 or even a .338

If I ever get to the point where I feel I need a muzzle break, it will be time to admit I'm using too much gun.
 
The punishment from the muzzle blast can actually be much WORSE than that of the recoil. Jim Carmichel wrote in an article long ago how WWII US army rifle instructors were having nervous breakdowns because of the repeated exposure to muzzle blast. The solution was to issue them ear plugs.
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Sounds like a simple effective and cheap means of solving the problem...

So let me get this straight... You fellas touch off 300wm around your friends and family while hunting without ear protection and without a muzzle brake?
 
There's times I'd like to try a muzzle brake on a target rifle, to allow following through and watching the bullet strike the target. But, I hate it when someone comes to the range with one. Naturally, I'm wearing hearing protection, but the blast makes cartridge boxes at the next bench move, hits you with a wave of concussion, and even way down the firing line, the covered roof conducts more noise down to you than if you were right next to an ordinary rifle.
 
Hotwheels81 said:
Sounds like a simple effective and cheap means of solving the problem...

So let me get this straight... You fellas touch off 300wm around your friends and family while hunting without ear protection and without a muzzle brake?
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OK, we get it. You like braked guns, many of us don't. Deal with it.

Whether or not you wear hearing protection when firing a gun, one fact remains; a braked rifle is louder than an unbraked rifle to the shooter and those in near proximity, all else being equal.

Now back to the the 300 WinMag, the King of the 30 cal magnums....... :D
 
bearkilr said:
If only the H&H was a bit shorter and wider with the same performance so gun manufacturers could chamber it in their standard long action........wait a second, that's called a 300 WinMag. :D
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I tried to find this long action you mention on my new rifle but have not been able to locate it.

.300 H&H reigns supreme!
 
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