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Excuse the slightly off topic question, but which one of ALL these rifles mentioned (other than ATR's) is NR?
The .308 debate. What would you get?
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Right now, none of them including the ATR as it doesn't have a final designation yet.
Non restricted: RFB, Famae SG542, M305, XCR-M, FN FNAR and that's about all in 308 that I can think off for the time being. The desert tactical MDR is also a future possibility, however it's not out yet, and also doesn't have a confirmed classification.
From what I've read, the ATRS modern hunter prototype has already been approved as NR....its just a matter of the production rifle being confirmed as being the same as the prototype. So in reality if the production model hasn't changed from the prototype it is NOT a gamble on its NR approval....its only a matter of time!
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ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.
Some of the ATRS hate posters just do not want to work with facts. They prefer fiction and dis-information for unknown reasons.
Yes, in theory. When selling horses we have a saying. It's not sold until the cheque has cleared. No one is denying that the prototype is non restricted. But they can't sell the prototype. It's not a done deal until it's done. If it were a simple rubber stamp then the commercial version would have been stamped non restricted 8 weeks ago. The wait is still ongoing.
Fact: Only the prototype at this time has non restricted status. From ATR's thread. See and decide for yourself. Hopefully for ATR, it will go as expected and be NR. But right now, it's speculation until we actually know.
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That's a solid firearm. Until the G2 I wouldn't have even considered the DPMS as close to the Armalite. I still like the Armalite rifles better for target rifles. But for a 16" carbine the weight and balance of the G2 along with a lot of the weak elements of the DPMS original rifle being fixed is hard to ignore. A buddy of mine also got the Armalite AR10 target that takes the Pmags. Amazing price and very well built target rifle. About the only thing I would change is the handguard. By the way Diamondhead emailed me a ways back that they were in the process of making their tactical handguard for the AR10. I would put one of those on in a heartbeat.
The problem is the AR rifles have the ability to give tactical bolt action accuracy. It's become the measuring stick for all other semi autos. The XCR-M wasn't designed to be a DM rifle but because it looks similar to an AR308 that is often the expectation. Nothing wrong with it, but the accuracy is questionable for many when using their XCR-M for accuracy work. The barrel quick change retention system is suspected as the main barrier for designated marksman type accuracy. As long as you know what you're getting and have realistic expecations then you should be very happy with your XCR-M. It's a cool firearm. I opted for the RFB which also has limitations, but I still like it for what it is.
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And some of the XCR haters probably couldn't get boltgun accuracy out of a boltgun......
so just as an IMO thing, the XCR's action is inherently less accurate (duh). They compensate by having very fine tolerance machining. If I were to take the barrel retaining bolt out and shake the gun up-side-down (drop of oil on the outside), the barrel won't move. The end game as tolerances loosen might mean that the accuracy drops quicker than an AR with similar wear. Currently 1MOA seems to be more the norm than the exception; I guess time will tell down the road.
Consider yourself lucky.
For every xcr I've had anything to do with, 1 moa is a pipe dream.
Interestingly though, the barrels did have a bit of wiggle without the retention screw. As previously mentioned though, that is the Achilles heal of the design. Most accurate qc barrels rifles actually clamp around the barrel extrusion, eliminating tolerances all together.
Wait so nobody has suggested M305? You can still get AIA enfield mags that magically almost nearly kind of fit, and after spending 550 on the rifle + 180 on 3 mags, and 1000 on a bunch of MFS ammo, you're still saving several hundred over most options mentioned here.
Honestly with 308 at the prices they are, I might just rage quit the battle rifle game when my stash is gone, and grab something in 7.62x39 or 223.
Honestly with 308 at the prices they are, I might just rage quit the battle rifle game when my stash is gone, and grab something in 7.62x39 or 223.
Not sure what the OPs original intent is but after shooting and owning several different semi and bolt platforms, I'm now venturing away from 308 for longer distance in favour of either .260 or 6.5mm Creedmoor. Both are based on the 308 cartridge and use the existing bolt face. I've been leading towards converting one of my 700p rifles to 6.5 Creedmoor. Since its a bolt gun its a simple barrel change to 6.5 Creedmoor. I can still use my action and my bottom metal. For semi platforms, its a little more complicated and required changes to your gas block as well. For those reloaders out there, since the cartridge is a 308, Dillon told me that I only need a powder funnel and dies for my 650.
Interestingly enough, ATRS Modern Hunter is offered in both of these calibers as well. Any other CGNs done a 308 conversion, if so it would be great to hear your experience. Any 24+ barrel manufacturer recommendations?
Interestingly enough, ATRS Modern Hunter is offered in both of these calibers as well. Any other CGNs done a 308 conversion, if so it would be great to hear your experience. Any 24+ barrel manufacturer recommendations?
I went for an Armalite as close to the light weight of the DPMS G2 as possible.
I got the one with a 16", lightweight chrome-lined barrel. The plastic handguard can be changed, which I most definitely will be doing. Midwest Industries makes a slim Keymod rail for the Armalite pattern AR-10's. It is almost the same as their rail for the DPMS G2.
Once I am done tacticooling the heck out of it, I will post up some pictures.
One thing to note, probably the most important thing actually, when comparing the g2 to any other 308 ar, is that it is dimensionally more compact. It has closer dimensions to a 223 ar, which places the weight further back and makes the rifle seem even lighter than it is. It is also slimmer.
I've had a whole lot of 308 ar's, and there's nothing else even close to the g2. No matter how you swap the accessories.
To the gentlemen inquiring about the 6.5/260 conversions, I've had a 6.5 and it shot well, but ultimately didn't make sense to keep. It was heavier than a built up bolt rifle, less (consistently) accurate, with the longer barrel it was cumbersome to use as a carbine, beat brass up, and really didn't have a higher cyclic rate when firing for accuracy at long range.
It was a cool novelty, but handily outperformed in all categories by a custom 6.5 bolt rifle.
Some more fact:
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While we are on a fact finding mission here. Some more info has just been added to the FRT on this firearm.
Here's something really interesting.... Continued from the new info added to the FRT.
So that propriety single stage 4 pound trigger is AR10. The lab added this recently to the FRT information. Again this is fact.
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While we are on a fact finding mission here. Some more info has just been added to the FRT on this firearm.
Here's something really interesting.... Continued from the new info added to the FRT.
So that propriety single stage 4 pound trigger is AR10. The lab added this recently to the FRT information. Again this is fact.
LOL, nice addition with the cartoon.
