The Army's Inglis High Powers

[ss109]

225,s and 228,s Navy and military police?

 

[Cameron SS]

According to the Canadian Controlled Goods Program, all Military Firearms must be destroyed at their end of life cycle.

Only exception I have ever heard of in recent memory is some of the Canadian Rangers being allowed to keep their .303s.

 

[AP]

When I was first issued with a Browning pistol to shoot, about six months after joining the British Army in late 1967, it still had the decal on the front of the grip. I made it a point of honour to ensure that as many of them that came into my hands over the next 27 years, until we got issued with the SIG P226/8, had a decal on them, if only in part. I shot for the Army, for the RAF [when stuck in an RAF unit] and the tri-service against the rest of NATO with either a Canadian-built Englis or my own FN, preferring the P35 to any other 9mm pistol on the planet. When my own privately-owned pistol was taken off me by the government in 1997, and I had to revert to using an 'old clunker' from the reserve stock, I carried right on winning with that old pistol, right up until a week before I retired in late August 2000.

Some things are just too good to change.

'carried right on winning'?? you must be mistaken ... its already been affirmed on another thread that the Browning HP was a 'right POS' .....

 

[tacfoley]

'carried right on winning'?? you must be mistaken ... its already been affirmed on another thread that the Browning HP was a 'right POS' .....

Either everybody else in NORTHAG was a terrible shot, or they just let me win because of my cheerful personality. All I know is that I had a whole LOT more pistol time than most of the other competitors because handgun was my preferred sport. Wednesday afternoon in the British Army was a sports afternoon, and my time was spent on the range, depleting the unit ammunition stocks by at least 500 rounds at a a session. I guess that not many ever shot out a Browning barrel in a career. I used to go through an average of one a year. All that success led to me getting banned from competing in the Corps Day shooting match as an individual, having won it three times in a row the previous three years.

 

[Sharps '74]

My experience with the Inglis HP was similar. Always worked for me - with good mags.

 

[AP]

Well Tacfoley .. I am with you completely ... but I think both Sharps '74 and I were more than a little incredulous at the 'mud flinging' that was directed at the HP on the other thread I mentioned!!

 

[DT741]

Did the CF get the 226? I though it was only the 225? I've been out a minute though.

Edit: oh I see Bullseye has CF contract overrun 226s listed. What's the deal with when it was adopted?

Dont know when it was adopted but CANSOFCOM has it and Close Protection (MP and Non-MP) have been using them for a while now. MP have the 225s

 

[9.3 Hunter]

another Inglis thread yippy.....not

 

[ss109]

What rnds. are used in the Browning and the Sig,s As of current times? 124 0r the IVI 147 grn.

 

[XRCD011]

Dont know when it was adopted but CANSOFCOM has it and Close Protection (MP and Non-MP) have been using them for a while now. MP have the 225s

And talking to some MP they are NOT happy that when it comes out of the holster they are coming up short on the round count.

 

[DT741]

And talking to some MP they are NOT happy that when it comes out of the holster they are coming up short on the round count.

I was one of them for 2.5 years before I returned to my original trade, Infantry, and from what I've seen, they need to learn how to properly use what they have before anything rlse. If they ever use their sidearms for anything else than shooting a functionnal RG31, I prefer they have 8 rounds than 15 to shoot all over the place...

What rnds. are used in the Browning and the Sig,s As of current times? 124 0r the IVI 147 grn.

We shot 124gr IVI in december for predeployement training out of our loaner 226s. MPs on patrol use CBC 147gr.

 

[CZ85Combat]

Dont know when it was adopted but CANSOFCOM has it and Close Protection (MP and Non-MP) have been using them for a while now. MP have the 225s

To add a bit:
225 are also standard for CF-18 pilots. The reason why they were first acquired for the 1st Gulf War. In use at both 3 and 4 Wing.
226 are also standard for the RCN maritime tactical operations group (MTOG).

Here is the 2016 timeline replacement for the Inglis and the P225:
http://www.forces.gc.ca/en/business-defence-acquisition-guide-2016/land-systems-153.page

Anticipated Timeline

2017 Options Analysis
2020 Definition Approval
2022 Implementation Approval
2022 Request for Proposal Release
2023 Contract Award
2026 to 2036 Final Delivery

 

[XRCD011]

To add a bit:
225 are also standard for CF-18 pilots. The reason why they were first acquired for the 1st Gulf War. In use at both 3 and 4 Wing.
226 are also standard for the RCN maritime tactical operations group (MTOG).

Here is the 2016 timeline replacement for the Inglis and the P225:
http://www.forces.gc.ca/en/business-defence-acquisition-guide-2016/land-systems-153.page

Anticipated Timeline

2017 Options Analysis
2020 Definition Approval
2022 Implementation Approval
2022 Request for Proposal Release
2023 Contract Award
2026 to 2036 Final Delivery

Good to see they are not rushing into it (Sarc full on)

 

[XRCD011]

I was one of them for 2.5 years before I returned to my original trade, Infantry, and from what I've seen, they need to learn how to properly use what they have before anything rlse. If they ever use their sidearms for anything else than shooting a functionnal RG31, I prefer they have 8 rounds than 15 to shoot all over the place...




We shot 124gr IVI in december for predeployement training out of our loaner 226s. MPs on patrol use CBC 147gr.

That was kind of funny your accounting that story and the CO being pissed

 

[Yeandle31]

Your number of 2000 is missing a 1 in front of it. There are over 2600 just in the two depots (mostly Montreal though).

A friend of mine, who is a Weapons Technician, gave me the 2000 number.

 

[tacfoley]

My experience with the Inglis HP was similar. Always worked for me - with good mags.

I had ten of my own mags - all highly-polished at the front top where the magazine disconnector shoe was located. I'm not going to tell lies and say that the trigger, as a result of that, was a dream, but it wasn't anywhere near as gritty as it would otherwise have been. I've still got at least four of them and use them in Oregon, where I still shoot a Portuguese Coast Guard issue P35.

 

[DT741]

That was kind of funny your accounting that story and the CO being pissed

Funny story is that there was 2 stories in that thread. One CGNer told the one about the MPs firing warning shot AT a canadian convoy and mine was the story of MPs trying to carry on a destruction drill on a working vehicle firing at it with fmj 9mm...

2.5 years with them and I could write a very very thick book titled "I wore the red beret..."

 

[The_Champ]

Good to see they are not rushing into it (Sarc full on)

Classic army, 20 years to obtain bog simple and nearly perfected 9mm pistols.

 

[stencollector]

If they can delay the full implementation by another 8 years past that projected 2036 date the ji hipwers will be a century old. Pretty amazing when you consider that Canadian production was initiated for the Chinese and not Canada. How could it have worked out without an 18 year design and procurement program!

 

[diopter]

Like Medicare. Takes so long to be treated that patients can die during the wait.

My own Inglis was used by CIL as a 9mm ammo mule.
My pistol club had two ex-CIL employees.
Note the shark fin front sight and adjustable rear sights