The Army's Inglis High Powers

I find your post interesting for several reasons - not this least of which is that the Inglis Hi-Power was never manufactured with a black barrel. Also, if ppl think NDs can be an issue with the hi-power, then you aren't ready in CAF for Glocks. Hell, the NDs at Connaught when staff officers re-qual would dwarf everything happening now with a trigger safety sidearm from my perspective.

Oh we are ready for Glock in the CAF but for this to happen we need A LOT of dinosaurs to extinct/retire and being replaced by people who actually got to use the junk that the previous guys designed and approved.

Proper training is the key with everything. If the UK Army can have Glock17 and not make it a total ND Fest along with a bunch of other NATO countries, so can we.
 
Why not buy in on the big US buy of the new Sigs? We are allies.

I agree on the revolver call. I'd pack one of my S&W snub M19s if I felt the need. Not going to stop a charging bear, but it might adjust the attitude of a two legged predator.


IMHO there is much more of a "political" problem with standardizing on the US choice of SIGS. IMHO that political influence comes from offshore as well as internal influences.

The 357 round may not stop a charging bear but it will break some major bones and slow it down until a kill shot can be made or the bear runs off to die.

I've had more than one major altercation with bears and a semi auto pistol wouldn't do the job.

Now, what my uses for a handgun would be are much different from the uses the military and police would be.

This is going of the track and I apologize but I've seen pistols used close up and personal in use under stressful conditions. 22rf pistols can be extremely effective when used by someone that knows how to use them properly. One quick shot in each lung and one over the heart will effectively put an end to 99% of threats. One round to the groin or kneecap won't be lethal but it will certainly discourage the aggressor from further actions.

25/30/32/380 pistols were issued because all were tested for their incapacitating ability and found to be acceptable for the purposes they were issued to defend against which was incapacitating an immediate threat.

The larger/heavier calibers do the same job but better for the most part. The advantage of hi cap magazines is obvious.

Then there is the last ditch alternative where the pistol becomes and effective club. That's when you want and need a HEAVY HANDGUN.

Whatever sidearm the CAF is issued will be just fine for its intended purposes. Cheap, manageable, effective from point blank to 7 or so meters in stopping a two legged aggressor.

As for the BHP still being acceptable? Maybe, from my limited information with old/retired acquaintances, new in wrap spares were starting to run out 30 years ago. I suspect the situation is much worse now but alternative sources for the spares from commercial and surplus suppliers is still viable enough to keep our present stash functioning for quite awhile. I recently saw a holstered pistol on the belt of a young officer that definitely wasn't an Inglis BHP. So there are already other alternatives in the system.

As far as black barrels?? That's a new one on me. I did see a surplus, civilian owned, Inglis BHP with a black barrel this past spring. The barrel was an aftermarket replacement of course.
 
Oh we are ready for Glock in the CAF but for this to happen we need A LOT of dinosaurs to extinct/retire and being replaced by people who actually got to use the junk that the previous guys designed and approved.

Proper training is the key with everything. If the UK Army can have Glock17 and not make it a total ND Fest along with a bunch of other NATO countries, so can we.

Please don't take this personally. I can tell you're speaking from personal experience but what you're saying, sounds like dummying down to the lowest possible standard
 
Oh we are ready for Glock in the CAF but for this to happen we need A LOT of dinosaurs to extinct/retire and being replaced by people who actually got to use the junk that the previous guys designed and approved.

Proper training is the key with everything. If the UK Army can have Glock17 and not make it a total ND Fest along with a bunch of other NATO countries, so can we.

If Canada ever gets glocks, it will be one of the us military versions with a slide mounted safety. Mark my words.

And I support that eventual limitation of whatever they select. They buy a pistol for officers, truck drivers, logisticians, and every other universality of service trade. They dont pick a gun tailored specifically to the few high readiness combat arms units who actually get range time.
 
Please don't take this personally. I can tell you're speaking from personal experience but what you're saying, sounds like dummying down to the lowest possible standard

No you are right, I have met good folks from procurements/development. Unfortunatly, we haven't seen their project because of how our system work.


Back on topic, I've seen brand new BHP issued in theather. The local weapon tech assured us that there was still a lot like these where it came from unfortunatly. I'll probably be in retirement when the finally smelt them.
 
No you are right, I have met good folks from procurements/development. Unfortunatly, we haven't seen their project because of how our system work.


Back on topic, I've seen brand new BHP issued in theather. The local weapon tech assured us that there was still a lot like these where it came from unfortunatly. I'll probably be in retirement when the finally smelt them.

25 canadian forces supply depot keeps a stock of war reserve arms in Montreal. Some likely are still in great condition.
 
While I was a 17 year old Westie, we trained a great deal on the BHPs. I even logged many hundreds of rounds of 9mm as a Reservist. I kept my mouth shut during Cornwallis Basic Recruit Course and just put my brain in neutral.

At week number 2 in Wainwright Battle School one of our Platoon mates got into a serious altercation at the Junior Ranks and was awarded a 2 week vacation at Detention Barracks in Griesbach. Another former reservist (strangely another Westie) Mike S. and I were to escort this buddy to jail in Edmonchuk.

We were told to change into our work dress (1977) and short sleeve order (July). We were told to remove all the fighting order (Y straps, water bottle carrier, mess tin carrier) and to report to QM and draw BHP & EIS.

Of course I signed for a pistol and ‘64 pattern holster, and then threaded/velcro’ed It on my ‘64 belt. I asked for a magazine and 9mm ammo and the storesman said, “Use the ‘alternate’ grip” while giving me a ‘wink’ of the eye..... ;)

I see how this works..... hahahahaha. :evil:

We carried the pistols to threaten (never needed it) our prisoner.... ha ha ha ha ha

The exposure to our prisoner’s intake at Detention Barracks is / was/ will be another story one day when we share a brown pop together! Hahahahaha

I ain’t ever gonna go to jail after what I saw in my first 60 minutes there! Hahahahaha

Cheers, Barney
 
Like all recruits, I was given the tour of the Griesbach Detention Barracks during basic with 2nd Bn PPCLI stationed there. It did not look like a place where you'd want to spend any time. Polishing shoe polish tins, 'Duraglit' tins and mess tins to a mirror shine is not a fun activity. Those symbols of incarceration became show pieces.

A few of our guys got more than the tour and when back squadded to another platoon had a different attitude, hearts & minds changed.
 
Like all recruits, I was given the tour of the Griesbach Detention Barracks during basic with 2nd Bn PPCLI stationed there. It did not look like a place where you'd want to spend any time. Polishing shoe polish tins, 'Duraglit' tins and mess tins to a mirror shine is not a fun activity. Those symbols of incarceration became show pieces.

A few of our guys got more than the tour and when back squadded to another platoon had a different attitude, hearts & minds changed.

My dad who served in the British Army during the war, Welsh Guards , told me about a fellow in his battalion, swiped the CO’s car,and went to London to see the girl friend , to make a long story short , he ended up in the British military detention barracks , know as the “Glass House”, it was notorious for it brutal discipline and harsh treatment, when he got back to the battalion, he was a totally changed man,
 
25 canadian forces supply depot keeps a stock of war reserve arms in Montreal. Some likely are still in great condition.

As DT741 states, my limited information sources tell me there are more than enough NEW OLD STOCK BHPs in storage than needed to fulfill our needs/demands for a long time.

My old Aunt worked in the Longbranch facility and a few others during WWII. Most of her jobs were menial in nature. Everything from carrying stock components to the assembly benches to polishing 25 mm cases to assembling rifles/stens/pistols. She stripped and cleaned a couple of my P35s in about half the time it would take me to do it. She laughed because she could close her eyes and tell from the feel of the party what it was and where in her itinerary it should be in the assembly process. She was fantastic with No4 rifles as far as assembly and fitting went but didn't know how to shoot one properly.

One thing about the Browning pistols, when she was accepted to work on them, she was sworn to secrecy and wasn't allowed to mingle with her old buds. She was moved to a new, cleaner, more comfortable female only dorm. They were checked every time they left the assembly room for components. She told me there was no reason for leaving the assembly area other than getting injured. All of the necessary facilities were there, including cafeteria, first aid, Winston Churchills, which was the code name for Water Closets or Toilets.

She told me the earlier series were made to much tighter tolerances than later series. That may be one of the reasons there are so many complaints with the pistols presently being issued.

I had a 9T that was new in grease when I purchased it in the US. It never left the US and presently rides in the holster of a good friend in Montana, where it's been for over 35 years. He loves it. Maybe fires a mag or two through it every year, no finish left on it at all but he swears by it as his personal self defense sidearm. He has a rather large farm just out of Kalispell and it's on his hip most of the time. Not as a weapon but as a needed tool. It's never been abused, maintained properly and functions with absolute reliability with 145 grain bullets.
 
Like all recruits, I was given the tour of the Griesbach Detention Barracks during basic with 2nd Bn PPCLI stationed there. It did not look like a place where you'd want to spend any time. Polishing shoe polish tins, 'Duraglit' tins and mess tins to a mirror shine is not a fun activity. Those symbols of incarceration became show pieces.

A few of our guys got more than the tour and when back squadded to another platoon had a different attitude, hearts & minds changed.

My dad who served in the British Army during the war, Welsh Guards , told me about a fellow in his battalion, swiped the CO’s car,and went to London to see the girl friend , to make a long story short , he ended up in the British military detention barracks , know as the “Glass House”, it was notorious for it brutal discipline and harsh treatment, when he got back to the battalion, he was a totally changed man,

From back in the days when going to prison was a punishment, not a holiday like the prisons these days.

The fact that they DID change criminals attitudes was a clear indication that the system worked.
 
I can see my sight just fine thank you.
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From back in the days when going to prison was a punishment, not a holiday like the prisons these days.

The fact that they DID change criminals attitudes was a clear indication that the system worked.
Military prisons have the lowest recidivism rates ... of course the really bad ones are released after serving their sentences so they dont ‘qualify’ for a military lockup if the offend again. My father went to visit one of his soldiers (Cdn) who had been locked up in the ‘glass house’ in Aldershot (UK) ... When he walked in to the court yard all the prisoners had their hands over their faces and were standing facing a wall .... the MP explained that they ‘werent fit to look upon an officer’ so when an officer was present they were required to cover their eyes ..... it was very harsh.
The movie ‘The Hill’ is apparently a very accurate representation of a field punishment facility.
 
If Canada ever gets glocks, it will be one of the us military versions with a slide mounted safety. Mark my words.

And I support that eventual limitation of whatever they select. They buy a pistol for officers, truck drivers, logisticians, and every other universality of service trade. They dont pick a gun tailored specifically to the few high readiness combat arms units who actually get range time.



That seems like a very sad/ironic assertion, esp. given J. Mitic's published account about the lengths CF drivers (ostensibly in a "combat zone") had to go to get issued a sidearm (or any firearm)... :canadaFlag:





Was it Groucho Marx who asserted that "military intelligence" was a contradiction in terms?... :yingyang:




But, hey, those prisons... :wave:
 
My dad who served in the British Army during the war, Welsh Guards , told me about a fellow in his battalion, swiped the CO’s car,and went to London to see the girl friend , to make a long story short , he ended up in the British military detention barracks , know as the “Glass House”, it was notorious for it brutal discipline and harsh treatment, when he got back to the battalion, he was a totally changed man,

During my service in that Army, 1980s, it was said that private soldiers who did time at Military Corrective Training Centre (MCTC or colloquially "Colchester nick") and were not discharged after their sentence tended to win promotion soon afterwards and at relatively high rates. This was attributed to the constant and intense regime of discipline there which meant they could handle so much more afterwards.
 
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