The BC CFO really grinds my gears

Youngfreshtoodeath said:
...I just like to cover my ass, that's why I called.
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You're never going to get a CFO employee to give you anything that will serve to cover your ass, sorry. All they deal in is bad interpretation of the law and outright misinformation. Oh and they will tell you something verbally, but refuse to put it on paper where it could be useful to you.

I'm still waiting for something in writing from the BC CFO to clarify how I can comply with the terms of a STATT (which they insist I must have) when picking up a restricted from the post office. Its been almost a year now. All I'm trying to do is cover my ass too. Believe me, they are no help in that department...

And please no CGN 'lawyers' commenting on the STATT/post office issue noted above please. Its the only example I have that is germane. I don't want to debate it here, or derail this thread with it. Thanks in advance.
 
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mdmaroon said:
This whole business of approving transfers is nonsense. What's there to approve? Does the person have a valid license? Yes? Okay, ownership can be transferred to that person.
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I would not disagree... but some law makers do...

23.2 (1) A person may transfer a prohibited firearm or a restricted firearm if, at the time of the transfer,
(a) the transferee holds a licence authorizing the transferee to acquire and possess that kind of firearm;
(b) the transferor has no reason to believe that the transferee is not authorized to acquire and possess that kind of firearm;
(c) the transferor informs the Registrar of the transfer;
(d) if the transferee is an individual, the transferor informs a chief firearms officer of the transfer and obtains the authorization of the chief firearms officer for the transfer;
(e) a new registration certificate for the firearm is issued in accordance with this Act; and
(f) the prescribed conditions are met.

27. On being informed of a proposed transfer of a prohibited firearm or restricted firearm under section 23.2, a chief firearms officer shall
(a) verify
(i) whether the transferee or individual holds a licence,
(ii) whether the transferee or individual is still eligible to hold that licence, and
(iii) whether the licence authorizes the transferee or individual to acquire that kind of firearm or to acquire prohibited weapons, prohibited devices, ammunition or prohibited ammunition, as the case may be;
(b) in the case of a proposed transfer of a restricted firearm or a handgun referred to in subsection 12(6.1) (pre-December 1, 1998 handguns), verify the purpose for which the transferee or individual wishes to acquire the restricted firearm or handgun and determine whether the particular restricted firearm or handgun is appropriate for that purpose;
(c) decide whether to approve the transfer and inform the Registrar of that decision; and
(d) take the prescribed measures.
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The Ontario CFO is not so bad, He let me buy a restricted firearm using my dad RPAL cause I didn't have one and still don't. And thats no word of a lie, I didn't even have a licences on me cause my dog ate it, so the CFO all good in my books.
 
michael2258 said:
The Ontario CFO is not so bad, He let me buy a restricted firearm using my dad RPAL cause I didn't have one and still don't. And thats no word of a lie, I didn't even have a licences on me cause my dog ate it, so the CFO all good in my books.
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Technically, registration is not ownership, so yes this is perfectly legal, you can own whatever firearm you want. But, if you are not licensed to legally possess it you can not possess it, you can use it under the close supervision of your father or another adequately licensed individual. If you are licensed but not in physical possession of the card I believe this may be legal too, although you will be required to produce the card in a timely manner and will have the firearm confiscated. Don’t quote me on that and I would definitely rectify the situation immediately.

I mean really your only good fortune with the Ontario CFO was that they didn’t lie to you.
 
Typically a temporary reg card is mailed to buyer along with letter to confirm approval. Same goes to seller informing him he can transfer and destroy old reg. The key is how you intend to do the transfer, if you are picking up in person a proper STATT is issued to person carrying the firearm. Save your self the wait for ATT, and tell CFO you will mail it! No ATT required.... Am I wrong on this?
 
When I'm overseas, since my wife has no RPAL, all my guns are stored at buddy's place who has RPAL. We "meet" at the "range" so not to contravene any ATT requirements ;)
 
nza said:
When I'm overseas, since my wife has no RPAL, all my guns are stored at buddy's place who has RPAL. We "meet" at the "range" so not to contravene any ATT requirements ;)
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You just need to store them properly so she doesn't have access to them. Trigger locked and in a safe or locked room she has no access to.

My wife is getting her rpal and pal so if anything happens to me she is legal!
 
triplepete said:
Typically a temporary reg card is mailed to buyer along with letter to confirm approval. Same goes to seller informing him he can transfer and destroy old reg. The key is how you intend to do the transfer, if you are picking up in person a proper STATT is issued to person carrying the firearm. Save your self the wait for ATT, and tell CFO you will mail it! No ATT required.... Am I wrong on this?
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Pretty sure unless the gun is picked up from your door, an ATT would be required to go from you home to the post office.
 
triplepete said:
Typically a temporary reg card is mailed to buyer along with letter to confirm approval. Same goes to seller informing him he can transfer and destroy old reg. The key is how you intend to do the transfer, if you are picking up in person a proper STATT is issued to person carrying the firearm. Save your self the wait for ATT, and tell CFO you will mail it! No ATT required.... Am I wrong on this?
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Most CFO’s will automatically issue you a STATT with a transfer, there should be no extra messing around… a STATT can be applied for over the phone and emailed or faxed to you in a matter of minutes, there isn’t much of a wait… so really there is no reason for this.

Also, I don’t believe there is such a thing as a temporary reg card, you are thinking of the confirmation slip that has the reg cert number on it. Anyhow, possession of the reg cert is not a requirement on my STATTs.
 
I did the same thing can I lend the person the firearm?

They said yes but it's in your name. I replied so what I don't care anymore. I then asked is there any paperwork to do to lend the firearm. They replied no but you might want to give him a letter. I replied well if I don't have to I won't. I then asked if I went to the target range with my pistol shot some targets and he came and did the same thing could I just hand it to him as it says any restricted in my possession. . They said the ATT ISN"T FOR THAT! I asked well would I be breaking any laws if I did do that. They said no then I replied ok thanks I will go do that then. The transfer was completed the next day... Figure that one out I just don't care if I'm not breaking the law I'm not jumping through their extra hoops and they can pound sand at this point. I've had them yell at me threaten me say they will never transfer something crap like that I don't give them an inch anymore before I would be nice and just take it but I don't take the crap no more it's is it illegal nope ok to bad so sad. I'm asking for a short term to mail a pistol right now even when it's not done they will get pissy about it and I will shoot back I don't want to break the law but because its so dam slow I'm not going to wait. They will say it's in your name blah blah I will always shoot back I sold it to this person the transfer is pending here is all the paperwork. short term. and shipping label I didn't break any law go away. I'm the type of person that won't break the law no mater what and I will push and push to do things right even when they get mad at me I don't care I just don't break the laws and I follow them to a T.
 
Mirk said:
Also, I don’t believe there is such a thing as a temporary reg card, you are thinking of the confirmation slip that has the reg cert number on it. Anyhow, possession of the reg cert is not a requirement on my STATTs.
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Yes, the STATT with reg number to take the gun home from the store.
 
triplepete said:
Yes, the STATT with reg number to take the gun home from the store.
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With all do respect, I think you are a little confused. What I have been trying to convey is you don’t actually need the reg cert number for your STATT when picking up a new firearm.
 
Mirk said:
With all do respect, I think you are a little confused. What I have been trying to convey is you don’t actually need the reg cert number for your STATT when picking up a new firearm.
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Mirk,

All I know is that when I purchase a new firearm locally. The store hands me a a temporary registration and ATT even though I already have an LATT. They tell me the official registration certificate will come in the mail.

As far as I know, you need to have the registration certificates for every restricted gun you are transporting with your ATT whether it be to and from range, sellers, or gun store.
 
triplepete said:
Mirk,

All I know is that when I purchase a new firearm locally. The store hands me a a temporary registration and ATT even though I already have an LATT. They tell me the official registration certificate will come in the mail.

As far as I know, you need to have the registration certificates for every restricted gun you are transporting with your ATT whether it be to and from range, sellers, or gun store.
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Read your documents more clearly, there is no such thing as a temporary reg cert, it is a transfer notification. Some of my STATTs require possession of a reg cert, some don't, my LTATT does. The criminal code stipulates you must be the holder of a reg cert, ie: one has been issued to you, not that you must be in possession of it. Technically, I have been in the situation were physical possession of the reg cert would be impossible, but it was never stipulated on my STATT anyways.
 
Mirk,

I just found an old transfer notice. Seems you are right - you win this time! But, under the ATT, on the third page I have, it identifies the registration certificate number of the firearm that is to be transported. It also states under conditions as from where to where, one time only. I just assumed you keep it all together!
 
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