The disgusting poachers from Alaska

Social acceptability is a moving and evolving target. As hunters, we have a responsibility to constantly review our behaviour to define what is acceptable ethical behaviour. If we don’t self-assess and make adjustments, to our behaviour, others will do it for us. What’s important to note note is what is deemed to be acceptable depends on the lens on which the activity is viewed. Differences in culture is a good example, especially when the purpose of taking an animal’s life is for sustenance as opposed to the experience. Sometimes, there are different ways to look at an issue.

One of the principles of regulated hunting is the concept of fair chase. Personally, I find the shooting of hibernating bear and her cubs abhorrent, but I can think of situations where it would be an acceptable and efficient practice if my survival depended on eating them.
 
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MiG25 said:
If the season is open and they have the required number of tags why not?

Cow Elk season is after the rut so unborn calves are being taken.

Unborn or fetal ungulates are ok to take, as are calves and fawns (which the govt encourages), until recently mountain goat tags said "either ###, any age".

But somehow bear cubs are off limits?
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I don’t like saying strong statements like this on the Internet much anymore, as it accomplishes little, but have to admit your opinion’s stock just dropped massively with me. Previously held it in some regard. It’s not about the numbers of bears killed being meaningless if inside the issued number of tags (these weren’t legal anyhow), or the lack of scientific differences of killing in a den or on berries, it’s about the ethics and if we lose those we’re completely done as hunters and worse off as a species.

Taking a relaxed mature bear on grass, salmon, what have you is indeed killing, but it’s doing so without undue terror and with hopefully excellent shot placement. Gunning a panicked mother bear with pistols in a dirt hole with shots ripping up the animal wherever as it frets for its cubs, then killing the terrified cubs in the same crude and completely evil manner is worthy of throwing them in that hole and doing the same to them.

Were it decades or centuries ago and needed to survive winter, sure the balance of ethics shifts. I didn’t even watch the video as I’m angered just hearing about it, a pair of inbred hillbillies apparently bragging they’re real men because they kill what they want how they want. If you support them and that #### there’s no words this forum will let one post that are appropriate.

On mountain goats been hunting them a good while and it’s been no kids, nannies strongly discouraged for that good while. The only reason they were more lenient is joe blow outdoors slob like these #######s was happy to shoot the first goat he got into range due to the frequent difficulty encountered on the species. Many spent little effort learning to gauge maturity or ###, as it’s not always easy with mountain goats, and the CO’s would have been charging too many hunters. Education and rules there are improving, for the last five years or more educational statements on how to ### and gauge maturity of goats takes up most of a page in the regs.
 
Yes, 100% agree with the sentiments laid out by Ardent. I still hate that the B.C. regulations allow for the shooting of nannies even though it is highly discouraged, it's even stated in the regs that if doing so causes the overall number of goats to drop in said area that it could lead to closures.

My feeling is that if people can't put in enough effort to be able determine billy from nanny, or be patient enough to wait until they find a billy then they shouldn't be hunting goats. Still makes no sense to me that they think that determining ### on goats is so difficult to the point that they can't make it illegal to shoot nannies because they feel people would regularly accidentally mistake them for billy's, but at the same time they trust people to be able to judge curl on rams or count the annuli to determine age.....give me a break. I'd be way more confident in my ability to determine a goat is a billy than trusting that I didn't miss a ring or two on the horns of a ram while judging its age.
 
Ardent said:
Were it decades or centuries ago and needed to survive winter, sure the balance of ethics shifts.
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I think you just wrote the epitath for your outfitting business.

"People in the province have come to their understanding, their point of view that the trophy hunting of grizzly bears is not a socially acceptable practice in B.C. in 2017,"
 
MiG25 said:
I think you just wrote the epitath for your outfitting business.

"People in the province have come to their understanding, their point of view that the trophy hunting of grizzly bears is not a socially acceptable practice in B.C. in 2017,"
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You can't be serious.
 
MiG25 said:
I think you just wrote the epitath [sic] for your outfitting business.

"People in the province have come to their understanding, their point of view that the trophy hunting of grizzly bears is not a socially acceptable practice in B.C. in 2017,"
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It became clear to me in a single post above your opinions diverge wildly from mine, and you’re free to think what you wish and try to be cutting I look forward to the variations if you’re feeling motivated. I have a very different take on what the epitaph of my outfit will one day be, and also a very different understanding of hunting. Enjoy your evening, we’ll never agree on this.
 
umchorn2 said:
There are thousands if not millions of #######s like this around. As a landowner who purchased his property to provide habitat for wildlife like bears, deer, elk, grouse and ducks, frankly I'm disgusted. I love seeing bears on my property and discovering dens or seeing little ones. Ultimately my motivations for purchasing property were for hunting, not wasteful killing.
I have the utmost respect for predators like bears, coyotes and foxes as I do for deer, elk, moose, migratory birds and upland game alike. They all deserve our protection and have value in their own right.

I fail to see how this is any different than the tens of thousands of foxes and coyotes shot across the country and left to rot or shooting gophers in a field. Really a reprehensible behaviour whether a bear, coyote or gopher, and when it comes down to it, this behaviour needs to change. It is very harmful for hunters and flys in the face of conservation efforts. I cannot stand hearing stories about guys driving around in their pickups down grid roads shooting yotes, beavers and muskrat and what not. What a group of low-life degenerate pricks.
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Says the guy who tried to find "investors" to build a game proof high fence around his "property" to establish his own game hunting preserve...
 
these guys should have no right to ever hunt again. Not that what they did was hunting in any sense of the word. So awful for that black bear and her cubs. I love hunting bears and that is downright vile. Puts a terrrible eye on hunting as a whole and gives so much ammo for anti hunters to use on people who are undecided on their opinion of hunting.
 
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