The Trophy Hunt should be ended, killing for the sake of killing, for only the head and/or hide. If you use the meat for food, this is the purpose of hunting, I see no loss here. These Guy's can have there ego's stroked some where else but maintained the resident hunt.
The end of BC Grizzly hunting is possible.
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Your kidding right..? We are getting f*#!ed by the day with him in power. His damage is being done by the day, we will be paying for it for years
You are on glue if you think that the anti-grizzly hunting movement only care about "trophy" hunting. They go after the weakest link and exploit our own biases (which you have demonstrated with your post). If they succeed in ending the hunt in the Great Bear Rainforest, they will press on to the rest of the province and then to other species... most will only care when it affects their particular brand of hunting... they will cry loudly, but it will be too late... in the meantime, they will have participated in the demise of other hunting sports, in either their silence or as you have done, in voicing publically their biases. Let's see how you feel when they ban your deer hunt.
hoytcanon, what is this ''Great Bear Rainforest'' you speak?
Is it possible actually Princess Royal Island , the largest island on the North Coast of British Columbia, Canada. That is located amongst the isolated inlets and islands east of Hecate Strait on the British Columbia Coast ?
Some people speak of social engineering on this forum and I hope your not following into those foot steps of such.
I'm just asking , not accusing .
Rob
Is it possible actually Princess Royal Island , the largest island on the North Coast of British Columbia, Canada. That is located amongst the isolated inlets and islands east of Hecate Strait on the British Columbia Coast ?
Some people speak of social engineering on this forum and I hope your not following into those foot steps of such.
I'm just asking , not accusing .
Rob
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Rob you live on the minority of the coast not included in it, it extends from roughly halfway up Vancouver Island to the Alaska border. The pledge to close Grizzly hunting in the Great Bear means closing Grizzly hunting on the entire coast essentially, as it effects nearly everywhere there is tags. Google "Great Bear Rainforest map".
Game Management is a concept not even entertained by "huggers"
What would be the solution if population grows to where the public is in danger of venturing in these areas?
Ask them to "Please do not feed on the humans"?
What would be the solution if population grows to where the public is in danger of venturing in these areas?
Ask them to "Please do not feed on the humans"?
Here's a good one. Did you know Greenpeace coined the term Great Bear rainforest in the 90s while launching anti logging campaigns in the region?
You realize grizzly is a fur bearing animal, and does not require the meat to be removed right??
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Yep. They, the Sierra Club, and Raincoast are all too clever and understand branding and public opinion much better than our side. The process started a long time ago as you point out. I actually respect their abilities even if the message infuriates me. I outfit and guide coastal grizzly hunting and stand to lose an enormous amount here shortly, but wouldn't have missed the coastal Grizzly hunting era for the world.
Unfortunately the ban will go a lot further than just the coast now with the NDP / Green coalition, whole province, and many hunters who have zero understanding of the hunt, like Grock-co above, won't care. It's like black rifles to us as hunters, Gate pointed this out once, they have to take the black rifles and Grizzlies before they get rid of anything but single shots and deer hunts.
I'm no fan of the Libs, haven't been since the early-mid 90's, for issues not related to guns. This is Canadian Gun Nutz. What has their government done that impacts guns? There's been a whole bunch of conjecture, but the question is not what could happen, or what is rumoured to be in the works. What have they actually done to the firearms community. The day they do something, I'll be yelling and screaming as much as anyone else. As a matter of fact, 2 of the people named to the FAC were excellent choices, and they've delayed the UN marking scheme (which the CPC had not pulled us out of, if you remember),
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I guide these hunters for a living and most have zero interest in stoking egos, and don't even want their names in the record book when they take a book bear. Three have taken a book Grizzly in the last two years, not one wants the mention, they hunt like the rest of us, for the challenge, personal enjoyment and adventure. Yep like gun owners there are a handful too that go a direction you'd rather not associate with, I just don't accept those bookings. Hunting mature male bears is also a completely sustainable practice that actually increases Grizzly populations and health in coastal populations, as it reduces cub mortality and disease spread from fighting. See the Tasmanian devil, bloody contact, a frequent happening in Grizzly populations, spreads parasites and disease rapidly. Keeping boars / males in check renders a healthy, stable population and a business that only needs an intact ecosystem to operate. One of the leaders of the organizations behind this actually conceded to me he knows the Grizzly hunt is not destructive and has benefits, but their supporters will never understand that, and that they also know there will still be Grizzlies after a ban. A pragmatic take of "Yea, the hunt is sustainable, yea it has purpose, no we don't like optics of it." Why I bring this up is many of their more informed decision makers know more about it than many back 40 hunters.
you are right but this is insane ... i ve seen that in Europe where the hunters were not impacted by new rules on the black and handguns ... they started to cry when they were aiming when it was too late ... just start by grizzly bears only 250 taken then what is next?
Winston Churchill said it best..... "An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last."
Good point. But do you think guys who have paid hundreds of thousands or have millions worth in titled land are going to stop hunting species like bear, deer, elk or moose on their land despite a closure in season or ban of some kind for conservation or by public opinion?
My neighbors shoot deer, elk and bears as they please because they own sections of productive wildlife lands. Lands which they own through purchase or inheritance. Why would they stop hunting if they're the ones who hold the very species survival in their hands? They're just enjoying the dividends that owning productive wildlife land provides.
Now don't think think that all landowners won't buy tags or follow the laws...I'm only alluding to the fact that a landowner in a remote area of Canada has very little chance of being caught shooting anything out of season or without a tag on his own property.
As far as grizzly bears are concerned, I can't see a population as large as 15,000 bears as was stated above. Although BC is a largely intact province from an ecosystem perspective, I just don't think their is enough grizzly food sources to support that many animals since from what I hear the salmon runs are 2% of what they historically were...and salmon are the bears primary food source correct?
We need better numbers before areas closures to grizzly hunting. But we also need to be realistic and understand the importance of utilizing hunting to not only energize the province economically but to control a population intelligently so that numbers are brought down prior to ranchers taking matters into their own hands or the wildlife departments deciding that they want a $20,000 - $40,000 hunt for free.
The residents of BC deserve to utilize their resources sustainably, but they do not have the right to prevent use of the resource by a user group like hunters for example simply because they disagree with the practice as "not their cup of tea".
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Well they signed the UN small arms treaty and have have made requirements for UN firearms markings for one... That's just the start of things to come... Oh and didn't they also put control of firearms designations etc back in the hands of the biased RCMP??
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game management based on emotion or public sentiment is dangerous, and heads down a very dark road...... we are already starting to see a push against fishing(catch and release) as well. All hunting and fishing activities will slowly fall if we loose the grizzly battle.
if we need to restrict grizzly hunting based on hard facts then that's a completely different discussion
if we need to restrict grizzly hunting based on hard facts then that's a completely different discussion
Ardent7, I understand the Social Engineering that is going on in the Great Bear Rain Forest.The vast area surrounding me was a temperate rain . That is until they paved It and called it Metro Vancouver.
By the way the Grizzlies Roam from Squamish to Pit Lake and North ward. Can be said it is my back yard Broadly speaking.
I am simply amazed there have not been any sightings in Deep Cove North Vancouver of Grizzlies because the new food source (transplanted elk) are doing well and it is only a matter of time before they show up.
I'm not against the hunting of Grizzlies in BC , I just see the banning of the hunt as a smoke scream to turn it over to the indigenous peoples who in turn will exploit it for their benefit and then what ?
What will these protestors cry then?
The fear mongering or Rally Cry about the Banning of the Grizzly Bear Hunt in BC is no different than the fear mongering of skewed sustainable numbers by the anti bear hunt camp.
The Green Party claimed they are a science based party when it comes to resources and the environment.
But, when the government tells the scientists what to discover ...
Well maybe one can see where my tinfoil hat is going when it comes to Governemnt and Policy based on emotion.
Rob
By the way the Grizzlies Roam from Squamish to Pit Lake and North ward. Can be said it is my back yard Broadly speaking.
I am simply amazed there have not been any sightings in Deep Cove North Vancouver of Grizzlies because the new food source (transplanted elk) are doing well and it is only a matter of time before they show up.
I'm not against the hunting of Grizzlies in BC , I just see the banning of the hunt as a smoke scream to turn it over to the indigenous peoples who in turn will exploit it for their benefit and then what ?
What will these protestors cry then?
The fear mongering or Rally Cry about the Banning of the Grizzly Bear Hunt in BC is no different than the fear mongering of skewed sustainable numbers by the anti bear hunt camp.
The Green Party claimed they are a science based party when it comes to resources and the environment.
But, when the government tells the scientists what to discover ...
Well maybe one can see where my tinfoil hat is going when it comes to Governemnt and Policy based on emotion.
Rob
Alternatively, it could be argued its largely the Cons fault for both of those, had they done away with the UN markings, or had they reined in the RCMP earlier, not 1 freaking week before calling an election, then perhaps the libs wouldn't have been motivated to do what they've done.
