The end of BC Grizzly hunting is possible.

umchorn2 said:
Good point. But do you think guys who have paid hundreds of thousands or have millions worth in titled land are going to stop hunting species like bear, deer, elk or moose on their land despite a closure in season or ban of some kind for conservation or by public opinion?

My neighbors shoot deer, elk and bears as they please because they own sections of productive wildlife lands. Lands which they own through purchase or inheritance. Why would they stop hunting if they're the ones who hold the very species survival in their hands? They're just enjoying the dividends that owning productive wildlife land provides.

Now don't think think that all landowners won't buy tags or follow the laws...I'm only alluding to the fact that a landowner in a remote area of Canada has very little chance of being caught shooting anything out of season or without a tag on his own property.

As far as grizzly bears are concerned, I can't see a population as large as 15,000 bears as was stated above. Although BC is a largely intact province from an ecosystem perspective, I just don't think their is enough grizzly food sources to support that many animals since from what I hear the salmon runs are 2% of what they historically were...and salmon are the bears primary food source correct?

We need better numbers before areas closures to grizzly hunting. But we also need to be realistic and understand the importance of utilizing hunting to not only energize the province economically but to control a population intelligently so that numbers are brought down prior to ranchers taking matters into their own hands or the wildlife departments deciding that they want a $20,000 - $40,000 hunt for free.

The residents of BC deserve to utilize their resources sustainably, but they do not have the right to prevent use of the resource by a user group like hunters for example simply because they disagree with the practice as "not their cup of tea".
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again not g but c ...

not all grizzlies are feeding on salmon .... like the diet of grizzlies is not only meat ....
 
Of coarse the band in Klemtu will support the end of the grizzly hunt, they make tones of money from the bear viewing corporations. They have already posted signs stating all trophy hunting is closed in the great bear rain forest.RESPECT OUR TRADITIONS is on the signs.
Coming from the people that drown deer buy throwing a rope around their necks when they are swimming between islands and drag them behind their boat until they die.
Shoot hundreds of sea ducks off of their nesting grounds in the spring, announce on the radio to come down and get your ducks. A handful do and the majority of the ducks go to the landfill after they rotted in the sun for 3 days.
Their boats come in full of food fish, everyone grabs their sockeye (and they will only eat sockeye) so hundreds if not thousands of pinks and coho rot in the sun and then go to the land fill.
Continuously Deplete bays and inlets of crabs, if one of them finds a good source for crabs a whole merrada of boats heads there with comercial traps and mops up every crab in the area in a couple of days. Male, females, under sized....all of them, bringing them back in 50 gal. plastic barrels for bragging rights of how many they got.
Same goes for halibut, herring, row on kelp. Everything is done on a comercial scale, long lines, gillnets etc. Take all of it and throw out what you don't use.
But don't let anyone come up here and shoot a bear...really.
 
Diablo7101 said:
Of coarse the band in Klemtu will support the end of the grizzly hunt, they make tones of money from the bear viewing corporations. They have already posted signs stating all trophy hunting is closed in the great bear rain forest.RESPECT OUR TRADITIONS is on the signs.
Coming from the people that drown deer buy throwing a rope around their necks when they are swimming between islands and drag them behind their boat until they die.
Shoot hundreds of sea ducks off of their nesting grounds in the spring, announce on the radio to come down and get your ducks. A handful do and the majority of the ducks go to the landfill after they rotted in the sun for 3 days.
Their boats come in full of food fish, everyone grabs their sockeye (and they will only eat sockeye) so hundreds if not thousands of pinks and coho rot in the sun and then go to the land fill.
Continuously Deplete bays and inlets of crabs, if one of them finds a good source for crabs a whole merrada of boats heads there with comercial traps and mops up every crab in the area in a couple of days. Male, females, under sized....all of them, bringing them back in 50 gal. plastic barrels for bragging rights of how many they got.
Same goes for halibut, herring, row on kelp. Everything is done on a comercial scale, long lines, gillnets etc. Take all of it and throw out what you don't use.
But don't let anyone come up here and shoot a bear...really.
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Exactly!
 
Angus on another note what will happen on the hunting rights if they ban the hunt not only for outfitters?

with the last ban EU hunters were able to bring back the hide and the skull so this time it will hard to explain to CITES that you have a big population when you stop the hunt ..

i know there no logic with the antis and im really feared that your example is spreading up north ...
 
umchorn2 said:
Good point. But do you think guys who have paid hundreds of thousands or have millions worth in titled land are going to stop hunting species like bear, deer, elk or moose on their land despite a closure in season or ban of some kind for conservation or by public opinion?

My neighbors shoot deer, elk and bears as they please because they own sections of productive wildlife lands. Lands which they own through purchase or inheritance. Why would they stop hunting if they're the ones who hold the very species survival in their hands? They're just enjoying the dividends that owning productive wildlife land provides.

Now don't think think that all landowners won't buy tags or follow the laws...I'm only alluding to the fact that a landowner in a remote area of Canada has very little chance of being caught shooting anything out of season or without a tag on his own property.

As far as grizzly bears are concerned, I can't see a population as large as 15,000 bears as was stated above. Although BC is a largely intact province from an ecosystem perspective, I just don't think their is enough grizzly food sources to support that many animals since from what I hear the salmon runs are 2% of what they historically were...and salmon are the bears primary food source correct?

We need better numbers before areas closures to grizzly hunting. But we also need to be realistic and understand the importance of utilizing hunting to not only energize the province economically but to control a population intelligently so that numbers are brought down prior to ranchers taking matters into their own hands or the wildlife departments deciding that they want a $20,000 - $40,000 hunt for free.

The residents of BC deserve to utilize their resources sustainably, but they do not have the right to prevent use of the resource by a user group like hunters for example simply because they disagree with the practice as "not their cup of tea".
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Laugh2

I love this guy. Lives in his own little fantasy world.
 
russm86 said:
Well they signed the UN small arms treaty and have have made requirements for UN firearms markings for one... That's just the start of things to come... Oh and didn't they also put control of firearms designations etc back in the hands of the biased RCMP??
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Actually, they did not sign off on it. It had already been ratified long before they came in. Harper never pulled us out of it, just delayed implementation (BTW, exactly what the Libs are doing). As far as designations go, even though I have not been paying very close attention, I don't recall seeing any new FA regs in the Gazette, so whatever they did must have been done under existing laws. As far as "just the start of things to come", how do you know? I have not heard anything definite from the Hill yet. A lot of rumours and suppositions, but supposition sounds a lot like suppository, and you know where they go. Remember, not so long ago, we had people talking about burying guns over S223, then it was our own CSSA yakking about $200 per gun for the marking scheme. S223 died, as it was bound to do (anyone that knew anything about Senate operation knew that was its fate). Then, of course, we were told it was going to be re-introduced as a House bill. As far as the marking scheme, it turns out that the guns don't have to be marked by the importer, as long as they are marked within 60 days of entering Canada. It can be done before. And, Goodale has delayed implementation for another year, exactly like the CXPC did, and said it has to be looked at again, because it's outdated.

Look, I'm not saying there will not be soime bad news for us at some point, but right now, they're leaving us alone, and, I for one, am very happy with that. If you want to worry and lose sleep over what might happen, be my guest.
 
Papaclaude said:
Actually, they did not sign off on it. It had already been ratified long before they came in. Harper never pulled us out of it, just delayed implementation (BTW, exactly what the Libs are doing). As far as designations go, even though I have not been paying very close attention, I don't recall seeing any new FA regs in the Gazette, so whatever they did must have been done under existing laws. As far as "just the start of things to come", how do you know? I have not heard anything definite from the Hill yet. A lot of rumours and suppositions, but supposition sounds a lot like suppository, and you know where they go. Remember, not so long ago, we had people talking about burying guns over S223, then it was our own CSSA yakking about $200 per gun for the marking scheme. S223 died, as it was bound to do (anyone that knew anything about Senate operation knew that was its fate). Then, of course, we were told it was going to be re-introduced as a House bill. As far as the marking scheme, it turns out that the guns don't have to be marked by the importer, as long as they are marked within 60 days of entering Canada. It can be done before. And, Goodale has delayed implementation for another year, exactly like the CXPC did, and said it has to be looked at again, because it's outdated.

Look, I'm not saying there will not be soime bad news for us at some point, but right now, they're leaving us alone, and, I for one, am very happy with that. If you want to worry and lose sleep over what might happen, be my guest.
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So....What direction do you think the NDP?Greens will take on the grizzly hunt?
 
The coalition of NDP and Green would have a house majority of 44 to 43. As such it will almost certainly be two things. Firstly, short lived; and, secondly stagnant.

All three parties know another election could be.weeks not years away. Why do people not vote NDP and Green. They worry the NDP will spend the province into massive deficit and regulate jobs out of the province. While they have no recent negative example (like the NDP) to point to from the Greens; the fear would be shutting down mega projects, crippling "environmental" taxes, and forced social/economic reengineering.

Shutting down mega projects, imposing environmental taxes, shutting down hunting, fishing, resource industries...... simply plays into the hands of the BC Liberals when the inevitable election comes in two weeks or two years.
 
I fear in the election actually it's going to go the other way, all problems can handily be blamed on the previous Liberal (the conservatives in BC and not at all related to the federal liberal party, at least the only conservatives capable of forming a gov't) government. The "we're so close to massive change" narrative and a push back against any shade of conservatism thanks to Trump will likely swing B.C. further left, not less. Then the NDP could really make sure we're behind Alberta again, seems the left figures that's our rightful place.
 
nws, how long did the Conservatives hold a minority government?
I am far from a BC Lierberal supporter and even further right of being a BC NDP supporter.
I can only hope the two parties NDP and Green Hold the toes to the fire of the BC LIARS.

Ramrodding legislation user fees (bridge tolls) down my throat for 16 years has left me with a Sour Taste.
Then there are the Mega projects the Drinking water pipeline from Coquitlam Lake to the Cap water shed those jobs where farmed out to 3rd world countries to provide the labor to build then there was the cut and dig Canada Line and then the Coal mine in northern BC that had Chinese Nationals down in the hole ... this comment is far from the Banning of the BC hunt for Grizzly Bears, but the BC Libs are far from the savior's of BC , let alone the BC Greens and the BC NDP....

I'm not happy with the idiots planning to take this Sustainable Hunt away from the People of BC who pay for the Studies and management of these animals , but there is very little my voice can do as one.

Rob
 
nowarningshot said:
The coalition of NDP and Green would have a house majority of 44 to 43. As such it will almost certainly be two things. Firstly, short lived; and, secondly stagnant.

All three parties know another election could be.weeks not years away. Why do people not vote NDP and Green. They worry the NDP will spend the province into massive deficit and regulate jobs out of the province. While they have no recent negative example (like the NDP) to point to from the Greens; the fear would be shutting down mega projects, crippling "environmental" taxes, and forced social/economic reengineering.

Shutting down mega projects, imposing environmental taxes, shutting down hunting, fishing, resource industries...... simply plays into the hands of the BC Liberals when the inevitable election comes in two weeks or two years.
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Yep. All it would take is one Dip/Green MPP calling in sick, and nothing happens. Not saying it can't or won't happen, but what's the use of losing sleep over it at this point. If the coalition lasts more than a few weeks, and if they announce an upcoming ban, and if both the Dippers and Greens support it, and if all their members support it, then you can start to worry.
 
Papaclaude said:
Yep. All it would take is one Dip/Green MPP calling in sick, and nothing happens. Not saying it can't or won't happen, but what's the use of losing sleep over it at this point. If the coalition lasts more than a few weeks, and if they announce an upcoming ban, and if both the Dippers and Greens support it, and if all their members support it, then you can start to worry.
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Good points. Also Weaver and Horgan looked waay too pleased with themselves at their news conference for leaders with very little ability to discipline their members. Every single NDP and Green has veto power. Good luck with that.
 
Papaclaude said:
Yep. All it would take is one Dip/Green MPP calling in sick, and nothing happens. Not saying it can't or won't happen, but what's the use of losing sleep over it at this point. If the coalition lasts more than a few weeks, and if they announce an upcoming ban, and if both the Dippers and Greens support it, and if all their members support it, then you can start to worry.
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Same for the opposite. All it takes is one Liberal to be sick.

This has been a hot button issue in the last few elections. Grizzly hunting or "trophy hunting" in general is absolutely on their radar. NDP already banned grizzly hunting last time they were in power.
 
Gatehouse said:
Same for the opposite. All it takes is one Liberal to be sick.

This has been a hot button issue in the last few elections. Grizzly hunting or "trophy hunting" in general is absolutely on their radar. NDP already banned grizzly hunting last time they were in power.
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A few gutless boobs, will pull the sick card, to try not to piss off either side... our local guy was well know for that trick.
 
I got spatsizi Grizly hunt in the draw I'm so happy
The Albert sheep hunt is on hold till next year as this may well be the last year for Grizly bear hunt in BC
Now I'm looking for the perfect piece of cedar for a bear mask going to go all out on this one
 
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