The fading .40 S&W

infidel29 said:
Plus, 357 sig and .40cal are both high pressure rounds. they WILL wear out your gun faster, especially if you put a lot of rounds downrange like many pros do. Its that simple.
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SAAMI pressure specs that I've found are 35,000 psi for 9mm and .40S&W.
Wikipedia says 34K PSI for 9mm and 35K PSI for .40S&W, everyone else says 35K each. Even if wikipedia is right, an extra 1000 PSI and suddenly .40S&W is a high pressure round and 9mm isn't? So compared to the 21K PSI .45 ACP I suppose that 9mm must pretty much just disintegrate after the first magazine then?

.40S&W develops more ENERGY, which naturally will cause more forces to be exerted on the gun.
It also causes more forces to be exerted on your target. Which do you care more about? Make your decision. But pressure has nothing to do with it.

Conduct research, stop listening to internet talking heads giving inflammatory opinions for the purpose of getting higher youtube view counts.
 
The trend has been to move to .45 or 9mm.. Not to move to 9mm alone..9mm is cheaper and many agencies if not all if them are deali g with budget cuts or freezes. Considering that and the improvement in bullet technology agencies on a budget are picking the cheapest caliber with lightest recoil
 
People keep on talking about saving money by changing to 9mm pistols.

I understand that 9mm is slightly cheaper than 40 caliber.

But how many years would it take to break even on the cost of buying all new guns for a whole police department?
 
Dexter Morgan said:
People keep on talking about saving money by changing to 9mm pistols.

I understand that 9mm is slightly cheaper than 40 caliber.

But how many years would it take to break even on the cost of buying all new guns for a whole police department?
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They get the guns pretty cheap and the company usually buys back the old ones from the department. So it really doesn't cost the agency that much!
 
I'm happy with my choice to use the .40 . I shot a few pistols, grouped best with a G22, end of story. Money well spent in my mind.

How much training do the police get anyway? I know a couple gents from the local police who claim to get about 60rds a year to qualify with, with the option to draw a bit more from their supply system for training. Doesn't matter what you're shooting, 60 rds a year is barely enough to keep you proficient at operating the weapon, let alone doing anything meaningful with it. Perhaps dumbing down the weapon isn't the way to go. Maybe learning to use what they already have is the better bet.

For those who feel it will be easier to get this ammo once the aliens invade, you're off your nut. If you're not hoarding now, you're wrong.
 
Pudelpointer said:
2 extra rounds in a magazine of 9mm.... so if the first 16 shots don't solve the problem, those extra two are bound to get the job done. Good grief.
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Try thinking beyond the range firing at a static target from a static position. Think, multiple threats, increased range, poor shot placement due to stress/injury/time constraints. Capacity is a huge player on the two way range, especially at the shorter distances. Pressing the fight longer than your opponent is in your best interest. Increased capacity and reduced recoil help you get there...

TDC
 
I really like shooting my .40 S&W but have decided I'm going to sell my G22 in the next month to move to 9mm. I have 25-30k rounds through the G22 platform and have nothing but good things to say about it but for punching holes in paper (Canada Fuch yeah. not!) there is no advantage and 9mm is cheaper, plus I would like to try a new platform (M&P9).
 
When the zombies come, and things are like "the walking dead" series, all them cops with 40 in their mags.

A glock 22 in 40 could be a good thing to have, and a conversion barrel from 40-9 if they are from a poor duristiction.
 
I have most calibers in both semi auto and revolver. I have the revolvers in .40, .45, 10mm, 9mm and the usual revolver calibers. I find the revolvers just shoot better by a large margin. Of course I am not at all cool! Honestly shooting .40 than 10mm I can't feel much of a difference in a revolver. I couldn't figure out what the big deal was. I like the .40 S&W round, but it isn't much different than the .45 ACP as far as I can tell. The latest mistake I made was buy a Glock 22. I have since bought the conversion bbl and a proper bbl for the .40 as the Glock bbl swells the brass foolish amount and you cannot shoot lead in a Glock. I don't like throwing out hard to get brass after it is ruined by the Glock. If the police service were smart they would go back the a good revolver in .38Special which is almost the same thing as the 9mm IMHO and they could shoot .357 if needed, better than a .40S&W any day.
 
It's often been said that .40 is a 9mm + 10 %.

When I look at some of the ballistics numbers for a lot of factory loads, that adds up...10% bigger, 10% more powder, 10% faster, 10% more energy. And if you're lucky, 10% higher price.

However, if you know how to shoot, what matters is where your bullet goes. A bad guy being shot in the center of mass with a 9mm vs. a .40 is no big difference...however, that extra capacity and lower recoil for follow-up shots could make the difference.

Now, a .357 SIG is a different story...more $$$, but WAY more energy. But between 9mm and .40...why bother?
 
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