The French milsurp rifle #### thread!

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Rule No.1: No stupid French surrender jokes. Anyone who actually believes the tripe that the French in WW1 would read The Guns of August by Barbara Tuchman and I guarantee you will change your mind.

Similarly, anyone claiming the French army in WW2 were cowardly needs to read Before the Dawn by Sir John Smyth V.C. - Smyth was a brigade commander (127th Infantry Brigade) in the BEF at Dunkirk - he's quite clear about the French Army's role in averting the death of every Englishman in France at the time and the human cost of doing so. Quite an eye opener.

Rule No.2: Must be a milsurp from France or a Colony of France, not a modern black rifle.

Rule No.3: no blurry cell phone pics!!! lol. Descriptions of the kit appreciated!

So the start things off, here is my contribution:

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Top: Mle 1886 M93 fusil d'infanterie dit Lebel. Pre-WW1 era Manufactures d'Armes St. Etienne receiver, 1926 Tulle re-barrel with Balle N chamber. Mis-matched bolt. Likely saw service in WW2.

Middle: Mle 1907-15 fusil d'infanterie dit Berthier, mfgr 1916 at St. Etienne. WW1 era matching rifle, not been refurbed but does have the N chamber mod.

Bottom: Mousqueton de Artillerie Mle M16. WW1 era carbine manufactured at St. Etienne. This one has been through the 1920's rebuild program as it no longer has a cleaning rod channel, but it was before 1927 as it does not have a balle N chamber.

Both bayonets are Epee-Baionnette Modele 1886-1915's with brass handles.

Two of the 3-round chargers are WW1 items, two are 1950's era Santa Fe reproductions and the two 5-rounders are 1930's era originals. The carbine has a nice pre-ww2 sling. The Berthier has a post-war sling.

Originals:
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You posted up all those rules and then didn't include your foot in the pictures? That's the first rule of internet gun photography!
 
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MAS-36 - Post war, unfortunately, but I'm looking for a wartime example!
Berthier Mle 1892/27 - 18934 St Etienne
Berthier Mle 1907/15 - 1917 St Etienne
Lebel Mle 1886/93 - 1893 Tulle

How about some French pistols too?

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My understanding is that the logic was: "If you're in contact with the enemy, why is your safety on? If you're not, why do you need a round in the chamber?"
 
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Model 1842 Percussion Musket

Made in the St.Etienne Armoury. Smoothbore .69 cal. It is essentially the Model 1840 musket with updated lock internals and a standard breech plug. The next production musket, the Model 1843, had a larger bolster. Sometime in the last 150+ years the barrel has been shortened to 34" and the stock cut. I am planning to replace the missing wood and pick-up a front barrel band/nosecap from TRS.

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Model 1763 Fusil de Dragon, with the 2nd Transformation

Manufactured, as a flintlock smoothbore, between 1763-70, in Liege. In the Tulle Armoury in 1837 the lock was converted to percussion and the musket was rebarreled to a rifle in .69 caliber, barrel marked "T 1821". Pictured with reproduction Federal American Civil War cartridge box and bayonet.

Like the other musket pictured here it was probably swept-up in the rush to arms happening south of the border.
 
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Where's the safety ? No Insults Please :D

Grizz

I have an M1936 that has a safety. It was added as a requirement to get it into the US.

Century, got a bunch of parts, and put new 308win barrels on them. Did a good job as well, they shoot very decently. The safety, is a joke.

Nyles, that is one of the nicest 1886s I've seen in Canada.

I've been looking for a decent one for 40 years.

about 40 years ago, I came across about 200 of them at Lever Arms. They had been used in a movie and were being sold off, where is as is, along with a bunch of similar Garands.

All of them were cheap. Even by 1970 standards.

They were all in excellent condition.

The problem was all of the chambers had plugs welded into them and the plug was a rod that went the full lenghth of the barrel, where it was welded inside the muzzle where it wasn't going to be noticed on screen.

The bolt faces were welded over and the firing pins had been shortened to allow the rifle to be cocked and the trigger pulled in a normal manner.

They were great parts guns. In hindsight, I wish I had picked up a couple of each.

I have never seen such nice examples of either rifle since.
 
I rather doubt there are any more than maybe 100 decent 1886 Lebels in Canada overall. I looked so long for a decent one (and passed on a few VERy ratty ones) that if there were any more than that, I would have found one a lot sooner. It's interesting that more 1886's have shown up in this thread so far than have Mle 1916 long rifles...!?! Or maybe that's because they are more worth of being shown off... ;)

The cartridge lifting mechanism in a Lebel is a thing of mechanical beauty when viewed outside the rifle. Very cool design.
 
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