The future of the C7?

[KevinB]

It exists - the sighting system that is.

Big Bulky, Stupid Expensive - and fragile -- also have a cant correting reticle.

There are a ton of programs out there to increase hit probability -- training has never entered a single head (most are rocket scientist folks - I've had meetings with a bunch)

 

[Gunnerlove]

I have seen examples, I have been very unimpressed.

 

[critter928]

lol funny you mention that... our primers tend to not "make gun go boom" in -30 not every round... but I have ejected more then my fair shair of "primer struck round not fired" ammo in the winter

I have seen similar problems, but I think it was not round related, but rather light strikes due to sluggish trigger group right through to the bolt and firing pin as result of CLP not working so well at the temp. A side by side comparison with a Graphite lubed rifle would rule that out if it was the case.

 

[LordEvilPepper]

not light strikes, full indent. at that temp you run the rifle dry or light with graphite. primer just failed to ignite. On the test firing line half the rifles had at leaste one stopage from the rounds failing to fire, some had several. Its one of the reasons lots of warsaw ammo has those crosive primers, apparently they work more reliably at extreme cold tempratures.

 

[Petrock]

SARP will die when the price per unit becomes public.

It is an exercise in increasing hit probability by spending lots and lots of money while reducing the little money spent on training.

A scope that can dope wind and mirage? Good luck with that.

Funny how the army thinks. Spending the money on training and ammo would increase the soldiers abilities and hit probability....

Practice, practice, practice.

 

[shredder]

Funny how the army thinks. Spending the money on training and ammo would increase the soldiers abilities and hit probability....

Practice, practice, practice.

C'mon, that's the logical way of thinking, which we all know ain't prevalent in Ottawa.

 

[Gunnerlove]

Practice only solidifies what you are doing, both good and bad.

 

[greentips]

SARP will die when the price per unit becomes public.

It is an exercise in increasing hit probability by spending lots and lots of money while reducing the little money spent on training.

A scope that can dope wind and mirage? Good luck with that.

The SARP is projected to spend 1 Billion dollars. It is stupid for the size of our military. It is nothing more than public work and corporate welfare.

Why don't we use some of these money and get some new light weight 60mm mortars?

 

[LordEvilPepper]

because the 60mm mortor is "old and out dated, it is not required on the modern battlefield, nor is it effective".

We are replacing it with the mark19's mobile cousin that is prone to jamming and is a three man carry... because its somehow better despite having less range, less kaboom, and wieghing over 4 times as much.

 

[KevinB]

because the 60mm mortor is "old and out dated, it is not required on the modern battlefield, nor is it effective".

We are replacing it with the mark19's mobile cousin that is prone to jamming and is a three man carry... because its somehow better despite having less range, less kaboom, and wieghing over 4 times as much.

Progress.


No other Army that fields an AGL replaced their Mortars...

 

[MPI]

All the 60mm mortar needs (and CarlG) is a better sighting system...

 

[Gunnerlove]

All the 60mm mortar needs (and CarlG) is a better sighting system...

Cutting down on weight is an advantage with systems that are heavier than needed.

 

[CZ85Combat]

Cutting down on weight is an advantage with systems that are heavier than needed.

Agreed
Just like the difference in carrying a CG M2 or the M3 in service
Damn, I love the M3, and it's carrying handle


Problem is the AGL is a totally different weapon system, that is not intended to replace a mortar.

Hopefully, someone will see the light