They have nice wood as well, but it ain't free.
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The Kimber 84M
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Sitkaspruce
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Not to bash any gun as I only have one loyalty.......
I have been looking and researching and looking and....well you get the idea. The idea was to buy another gun to keep the others in the safe happy.
I have looked at/talk to the owners of 4 different Kimber Montana's, three in 270WSM and one in 270 win. The three in 270WSM all had feeding issues, one also could not shoot below 1.5 moa, which is not a problem to me as I reload. None of this was mentioned until I read about the problem and asked the owners about it. The only one with no issues was Archie's 270 win he has on EE. Already have a great 270 win so did not need another.
3 out of 4 with problems had me thinking and eventually looking else where. I just could not take the chance to buy a gun then send it to Korth to see if they could fix it.
I settled on a NIB Win EW in 270WSM for an awesome price that so far has had no feeding problems, but I have not shot it yet.........
Kimber is still on great looking and handling gun, but I just did not have the confidence to buy a used one (could not afford a new one...)
Maybe down the road.
Cheers
SS
I have been looking and researching and looking and....well you get the idea. The idea was to buy another gun to keep the others in the safe happy.
I have looked at/talk to the owners of 4 different Kimber Montana's, three in 270WSM and one in 270 win. The three in 270WSM all had feeding issues, one also could not shoot below 1.5 moa, which is not a problem to me as I reload. None of this was mentioned until I read about the problem and asked the owners about it. The only one with no issues was Archie's 270 win he has on EE. Already have a great 270 win so did not need another.
3 out of 4 with problems had me thinking and eventually looking else where. I just could not take the chance to buy a gun then send it to Korth to see if they could fix it.
I settled on a NIB Win EW in 270WSM for an awesome price that so far has had no feeding problems, but I have not shot it yet.........
Kimber is still on great looking and handling gun, but I just did not have the confidence to buy a used one (could not afford a new one...)
Maybe down the road.
Cheers
SS
- Location
- Central Sask
They have nice wood as well, but it ain't free.
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That is a very beautiful piece of wood WTJ
They have nice wood as well, but it ain't free.
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Beautiful wood on that rifle, too bad the chunky lines of the action confirm it's no 84M
Silvertip13
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If you had the choice would you go with a NULA over a kimber?
So what are you waiting for money bags.
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Its nice but its no Savage.
If cash was no issue and I had a choice it could very well be a NULA, can't say because I've never handled one, and the fact that it's a lowly push-feed might tip the scales in the Montanas favor!
Seems a question of custom versus mass production.
Mel Forbes builds each rifle for a customer on an individual basis, and by the time it arrives here in Canada you are way beyond double the cost of a Montana. 3500$ american in basic form before export fees.
Not a realistic comparison AFAIK. It's a custom.
Also if we are talking a wood stock your sh$t out of luck as Mr Forbes only deals in composite.
Here's a little intranets factiod for you. Melvin Forbes was rumored to be involved with the design and early production of the Kimber Montana's stock
Since this thread is already headed way off-topic, I'll add some more thoughts on the NULA question.
I seriously considered NULAs flagship model 20 in .284 after years of lusting, even printed out the order form.
I never ended-up going NULA and here are my reasons and the logic behind them.
I talked to a respected member on here {RickF} that had mentioned to me he had the opportunity to handle a NULA and found the stock did not fit him,he preferred the hunters edge stock.
I had no foreseeable chance to ever shoulder a NULA, so I was buying blind as to fitment.
The other deal breaker was the associated export fees, putting you damn close to 4000$ by the time it arrives.
I like to think I have more money than brains at times, but that is alot of f@ckin' baksheesh for a rifle I've never even handled, even if it does include scope rings!
I ended up going to RMR {Corlanes} and after discussing my needs Travis started a work order for an Ultralight based off of a Defiance machine thinhorn action.
Sooo...in a nutshell I am getting a full custom stocked in a mcmillan hunters edge {a stock with which I am very familiar with}
from a Canadian retailer and for hundreds of dollars less than a NULA.
Don't get me wrong I still think NULAs are the t**s, but for me it made more sense to go local.
I seriously considered NULAs flagship model 20 in .284 after years of lusting, even printed out the order form.
I never ended-up going NULA and here are my reasons and the logic behind them.
I talked to a respected member on here {RickF} that had mentioned to me he had the opportunity to handle a NULA and found the stock did not fit him,he preferred the hunters edge stock.
I had no foreseeable chance to ever shoulder a NULA, so I was buying blind as to fitment.
The other deal breaker was the associated export fees, putting you damn close to 4000$ by the time it arrives.
I like to think I have more money than brains at times, but that is alot of f@ckin' baksheesh for a rifle I've never even handled, even if it does include scope rings!
I ended up going to RMR {Corlanes} and after discussing my needs Travis started a work order for an Ultralight based off of a Defiance machine thinhorn action.
Sooo...in a nutshell I am getting a full custom stocked in a mcmillan hunters edge {a stock with which I am very familiar with}
from a Canadian retailer and for hundreds of dollars less than a NULA.
Don't get me wrong I still think NULAs are the t**s, but for me it made more sense to go local.
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There have been issues with Cooper rifles. Enough so that they recently changed their bolt design on the M52 from a fixed blade ejector to a plunger style. With the 3-lug bolt, they were getting complaints of brass hitting the scopes on ejection. Sako 85's have the same flawed design.
bearkilr
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Since this thread is already headed way off-topic, I'll add some more thoughts on the NULA question.
I seriously considered NULAs flagship model 20 in .284 after years of lusting, even printed out the order form.
I never ended-up going NULA and here are my reasons and the logic behind them.
I talked to a respected member on here {RickF} that had mentioned to me he had the opportunity to handle a NULA and found the stock did not fit him
I had no foreseeable chance to ever shoulder a NULA, so I was buying blind as to fitment.
The other deal breaker was the associated export fees, putting you damn close to 4000$ by the time it arrives.
I like to think I have more money than brains at times, but that is alot of f@ckin' baksheesh for a rifle I've never even handled, even if it does include scope rings!
I ended up going to RMR {Corlanes} and after discussing my needs Travis started a work order for an Ultralight based off of a Defiance machine thinhorn action.
Sooo...in a nutshell I am getting a full custom stocked in a mcmillan hunters edge {a stock with which I am very comfortable with}
from a Canadian retailer and for hundreds of dollars less than a NULA.
Don't get me wrong I still think NULAs are the t**s, but for me it made more sense for me personally to go local.
You won't be disappointed. I had a little RMR based off a Model 7 in a Wildcat stock, 308. Weighed right around 4.5 lbs. It got traded for I don't remember what and I'm not sure why....
You won't be disappointed. I had a little RMR based off a Model 7 in a Wildcat stock, 308. Weighed right around 4.5 lbs. It got traded for I don't remember what and I'm not sure why....
Glad to hear, I'm expecting it soon and I'm rather excited.
As to the "gooders" that we let go, wasn't their always a seemingly important reason to move them at the time?
Here's to the one that got away...
Since this thread is already headed way off-topic, I'll add some more thoughts on the NULA question.
I seriously considered NULAs flagship model 20 in .284 after years of lusting, even printed out the order form.
I never ended-up going NULA and here are my reasons and the logic behind them.
I talked to a respected member on here {RickF} that had mentioned to me he had the opportunity to handle a NULA and found the stock did not fit him
I had no foreseeable chance to ever shoulder a NULA, so I was buying blind as to fitment.
The other deal breaker was the associated export fees, putting you damn close to 4000$ by the time it arrives.
I like to think I have more money than brains at times, but that is alot of f@ckin' baksheesh for a rifle I've never even handled, even if it does include scope rings!
I ended up going to RMR {Corlanes} and after discussing my needs Travis started a work order for an Ultralight based off of a Defiance machine thinhorn action.
Sooo...in a nutshell I am getting a full custom stocked in a mcmillan hunters edge {a stock with which I am very familiar with}
from a Canadian retailer and for hundreds of dollars less than a NULA.
Don't get me wrong I still think NULAs are the t**s, but for me it made more sense to go local.
You will not be disappointed with the product they produce. Congrats on the new rifle that will exceed all your expectations. Which barrel manufacturer did you choose?
Joe you had a hand in my decision. I remember the pics. you sent me of your model 70 build and it was quite inspiring!
And in spite of a lack of skill, it has accidentally harvested every animal it has been pointed at. I held out for a Lilja barrel for no other reason than none of my buddies had one. Tim is a cool dude to deal with. The Cast Iron powder coat has held up well. It loves TSX's.
Hey Blargon
Do you have any links etc that talk about the change in ejectors for the Cooper M52? I have not heard of anyone having the same issues with ejection as the Sakos and heard nothing of the change to a plunger. Any info would be great. Thanks.
Do you have any links etc that talk about the change in ejectors for the Cooper M52? I have not heard of anyone having the same issues with ejection as the Sakos and heard nothing of the change to a plunger. Any info would be great. Thanks.
Montana
I agree with the OP, I am very happy with my Kimber, a 30-06 Montana. It's both light and accurate. I bought mine fully aware of the QC issues, but I wanted a CRF all weather rifle; the list was pretty short without going custom.
Developing a load took no longer than any of my other rifles, but the variation in group size was noticeably greater as powder charges and seating depth were tweaked, a result of that thin barrel no doubt. I had to settle on Barnes 168gr TTSXs at 2840fps practically tumbling into a 1.6" group at 200 yards.
I did have a feeding problem, the second shot from a full magazine would hang up often enough that I didn't trust it for hunting. My solution the first season was to leave one shell out of it, it fed every time. A rough feed rail was the culprit, tooling marks were visible. That's unacceptable on a gun the price of a Kimber...Can't say I wasn't warned though. I filed then polished the rail following the first season and now it feeds a full magazine reliably; Slow, fast, even upside down.
The rifle fits me and as often reported, it handles recoil well. I haven't compared factory dimensions, but it is near identical in size (but not weight) to my Model 70 Safari Express, right down to the location of the safety.
There are lemons out there, mine qualified. I'm glad I didn't abandon it as it is such a great hunting rifle. I'll gladly give shelter to any unwanted Kimbers.
I agree with the OP, I am very happy with my Kimber, a 30-06 Montana. It's both light and accurate. I bought mine fully aware of the QC issues, but I wanted a CRF all weather rifle; the list was pretty short without going custom.
Developing a load took no longer than any of my other rifles, but the variation in group size was noticeably greater as powder charges and seating depth were tweaked, a result of that thin barrel no doubt. I had to settle on Barnes 168gr TTSXs at 2840fps practically tumbling into a 1.6" group at 200 yards.
I did have a feeding problem, the second shot from a full magazine would hang up often enough that I didn't trust it for hunting. My solution the first season was to leave one shell out of it, it fed every time. A rough feed rail was the culprit, tooling marks were visible. That's unacceptable on a gun the price of a Kimber...Can't say I wasn't warned though. I filed then polished the rail following the first season and now it feeds a full magazine reliably; Slow, fast, even upside down.
The rifle fits me and as often reported, it handles recoil well. I haven't compared factory dimensions, but it is near identical in size (but not weight) to my Model 70 Safari Express, right down to the location of the safety.
There are lemons out there, mine qualified. I'm glad I didn't abandon it as it is such a great hunting rifle. I'll gladly give shelter to any unwanted Kimbers.
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