I got a 1lb container of Red Dot from Williams Arms about a month ago and Lawry's currently shows 1lb and 8lb containers of Red Dot in stock.
THE LOAD for reduced velocity shooting
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I got a 1lb container of Red Dot from Williams Arms about a month ago and Lawry's currently shows 1lb and 8lb containers of Red Dot in stock.
I tried some of the loads with red dot and other powders but using SR 4759 and later using Trail Boss left no doubt about double charges and position sensitive loads.
I fire formed my .303 British cases with SR 4759 and now Trail Boss powder with good results. In my opinion the bulkier powders are safer to use and give better loading density.
And I learned about the rubber o-ring method from a Canadian with the screen name of terryinvictoria years ago.
I fire formed my .303 British cases with SR 4759 and now Trail Boss powder with good results. In my opinion the bulkier powders are safer to use and give better loading density.
And I learned about the rubber o-ring method from a Canadian with the screen name of terryinvictoria years ago.
The rubber o-ring holds the rimed .303 British case against the bolt face and prevents the case from stretching on the first firing.
After fire forming the case headspaces on its shoulder and not the rim and the case shoulder holds the case against the bolt face.
And when the o-ring is compressed it centers the rear of the case in the chamber and later aids accuracy when reloaded by better case alignment with the bore.
Also when using reduced loads for this fire forming the chamber pressure is not great enough to cause the case to stretch.
Some people use reduced loads to fire form cases using Cream of Wheat (COW) that blows out the case shoulder at lower pressures without using a bullet.ring
The once fired factory loaded Winchester .303 British case below stretched .009 on the first without using the rubber o-ring.
I didn't mean to hijack the posting but most of my reduced loads are for fire forming and I now use Trail Boss. And I no longer use small charges of shotgun or pistol powders and strain my bifocals checking the cases for double charges.
After fire forming the case headspaces on its shoulder and not the rim and the case shoulder holds the case against the bolt face.
And when the o-ring is compressed it centers the rear of the case in the chamber and later aids accuracy when reloaded by better case alignment with the bore.
Also when using reduced loads for this fire forming the chamber pressure is not great enough to cause the case to stretch.
Some people use reduced loads to fire form cases using Cream of Wheat (COW) that blows out the case shoulder at lower pressures without using a bullet.ring
The once fired factory loaded Winchester .303 British case below stretched .009 on the first without using the rubber o-ring.
I didn't mean to hijack the posting but most of my reduced loads are for fire forming and I now use Trail Boss. And I no longer use small charges of shotgun or pistol powders and strain my bifocals checking the cases for double charges.
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Ed was too quick on the draw hehe.
Its for fire forming rimmed bottle neck cartridges. It keep the case head against the bolt face so that the shoulder is pushed forward rather than the case being pushed forward by the firing pin causing the case to stretch as the neck grips the chamber due to the pressure. With really deep cut military chambers this helps reduce stretching in the web of the case to lengthen brass life. Once fire formed, the handloader can either neck size or bump the shoulder his/her preferred amount rather than FL sizing the case right back down and stretching the bejeezus out of it again on the next firing. I've had some No. 4 rifles whose headspace was similar and within spec but the shoulder was way deeper on one rifle than the other. Youbcould hold a fired case from each rifle side by side and see a major difference in base to shoulder length. If continually FL resized and fired, the longer chamber would eat brass like skittles. The o ring trick is how you get long brass life out of rifles with rimmed cartridges and excessive headspace or chamber depth, typically wartime milsurps.
Its for fire forming rimmed bottle neck cartridges. It keep the case head against the bolt face so that the shoulder is pushed forward rather than the case being pushed forward by the firing pin causing the case to stretch as the neck grips the chamber due to the pressure. With really deep cut military chambers this helps reduce stretching in the web of the case to lengthen brass life. Once fire formed, the handloader can either neck size or bump the shoulder his/her preferred amount rather than FL sizing the case right back down and stretching the bejeezus out of it again on the next firing. I've had some No. 4 rifles whose headspace was similar and within spec but the shoulder was way deeper on one rifle than the other. Youbcould hold a fired case from each rifle side by side and see a major difference in base to shoulder length. If continually FL resized and fired, the longer chamber would eat brass like skittles. The o ring trick is how you get long brass life out of rifles with rimmed cartridges and excessive headspace or chamber depth, typically wartime milsurps.
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One thing I missed in the various postings of the original article is he uses Hercules Red Dot. I couldn't figure out why my Alliant Red Dot was just a dusting in the bottom of the case. It still worked as advertised but I could easily fit 3 charges in one case and possibly more. I visually check powder level and should catch such a mistake but it made me wonder. How close is the Alliant Red Dot to the Hercules?
"THE LOAD" was a way to save powder and shoot more for less. Many of these loads were position sensitive and I remember having to elevate the barrel to get more uniform groups.
I would rather use bulkier powders made for reduced loads and get better results and not worry about double charges or having bullets stringing vertically on the target with minuscule charges of shotgun or pistol powders.
And supernova the only one too quick on the draw hehe was you. So don't burn out too early..............
"A supernova is an astronomical event that occurs during the last stellar evolutionary stages of a massive star's life, whose dramatic and catastrophic destruction is marked by one final titanic explosion."
I would rather use bulkier powders made for reduced loads and get better results and not worry about double charges or having bullets stringing vertically on the target with minuscule charges of shotgun or pistol powders.
And supernova the only one too quick on the draw hehe was you.
So don't burn out too early.............."A supernova is an astronomical event that occurs during the last stellar evolutionary stages of a massive star's life, whose dramatic and catastrophic destruction is marked by one final titanic explosion."
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IMR 4198 is great for reduced loads, I load for my son for practise 95gr BT 19gr of 4198 gives 1900fps and he is getting used to his 243. this powder works for alot of cal.
Yes for longer range loads I use 2400 or 4198 generally.
Although in large cases like 8x56r and 7.62x54r 13 grains is a bit on the light side. Once I bumped up to 14 grains in those groups got considerably better.
Old name = Hercules, New name = Alliant
The Logo 'head' is still the same. Burning rate still the same.
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That makes a lot of sense, thanks.
Rule #3 says the bullet weight must be in the "normal" range... but being a faster burning powder, would it not be ok to go with a very light bullet? The only possible consequence being unburned powder if you went too, too light?
Wonder how fast "the load" would push a 50 grain swaged 00Buck?
Wonder how fast "the load" would push a 50 grain swaged 00Buck?
Regarding double loads with pistol powders -
Many activities can be hazardous if they arent done correctly. Not seeing a stop sign and driving blindly into an intersection is extremely hazardous activity. And yet - we all feel safe driving because we pay attention.
Reloading is the same - it's no more hazardous than many other activities we do every day and don't ever have a problem with - because we pay attention.
Many activities can be hazardous if they arent done correctly. Not seeing a stop sign and driving blindly into an intersection is extremely hazardous activity. And yet - we all feel safe driving because we pay attention.
Reloading is the same - it's no more hazardous than many other activities we do every day and don't ever have a problem with - because we pay attention.
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Probably fast enough to Lead your bbl up quite heavily I'd guess
