The most "Anti-Hunting" Province??

LordEvilPepper said:
Alberta is pretty good for hunting.
Baiting is restricted... but can be used for bears and predator species.
Getting tags is easy; you can get 4 deer a year without a draw tag and up to 7 with draw tags.
I don't think as a land owner you can get special tags for your own land. Outfitters can get a good chunk though.
Species avalible for hunting is large... and you would be suprised what tags you can get without a draw (cow moose, big horned sheep) if your willing to drive out to a remote wmu.
Seasons and are generous in length to give hunter a better chance at success.
There is considerable investment in conservation.
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Finally, after 650 views a comment pertaining to the issue at hand...how various provinces differ in their wildlife management styles and how it directly affects their success regarding wildlife management and hunter outcomes and experiences.

Why is anyone concerned whether Manitoba is a western province or not? Focus on the real issues. Your eroding opportunities to hunt and declining wildlife populations. At one time manitoba had bison, pronghorn and mule deer as well as many other species. Where are they now? Will there be moose and elk in the future? Saskatchewan has closed their pronghorn season for many times and for many years over the last few decades.

If there were lots of game to hunt "templar knight", we wouldn't need "game farms" would we - but we'd have them anyways because we have property rights and we love deer or elk or whatever and we want to have those things. And if you didn't have property rights you wouldn't have jack all in this world. Thankfully we all can actually acquire and own something or make the best go at it that we can. Many places in the world land acquisition and ownership is strictly controlled and truly for the rich and powerful families. Obviously the draw tag system is not working as well as it could.

And how would some guy fencing his property and having deer, elk, moose, bison or whatever have anything to do with hunters paying more to hunt and hunting being for the wealthy? If anything it would alleviate all the stress on public lands from overhunting. You are still going to have to draw your tag and find your animal. Isn't it a good thing to have hunters and landowners working together to support one another's goals rather than have everything that you don't agree with or understand remain illegal?
 
Being an Ontarible transplant to Alberta. I would say Alberta has an active wild game management program. For the most part, it's a win win for the hunters if you are willing to get away from the populated areas.
In Ontarible, it was a major pain in the a$$. I had co-workers that were constantly having problems looking for hunting areas. For the record I was a land owner and kept hunting on my property to a minimum (2 deer/year). Those 2 deer were normally taken by 10:00 am day 1 for gun season.
 
Manitoba has a deer population problem right now but it has nothing to do with hunting pressure it has to do with natural disasters called severe winters. There is excelent access to public land and there are many non draw big game opportunities but they are remote areas and not easy or for the lazy.

So little Lord Fauntelroy, how is your plan to fence the whole province going to stop winter? I mean if fencing the place is going to stop the cold and snow sign me the f-up
 
minilover said:
Being an Ontarible transplant to Alberta. I would say Alberta has an active wild game management program. For the most part, it's a win win for the hunters if you are willing to get away from the populated areas.
In Ontarible, it was a major pain in the a$$. I had co-workers that were constantly having problems looking for hunting areas. For the record I was a land owner and kept hunting on my property to a minimum (2 deer/year). Those 2 deer were normally taken by 10:00 am day 1 for gun season.
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Obviously you were from southern Ontario, which is a totally different place than the other 80% of Ontario.

I wish Southern Ontario, that's is, everything south of Sudbury, would separate from Canada.
 
The one good "liberal thing" in Ontario is the hunting regulations.

While the tough part is finding land to hunt on in the Southern part of the province (drive north of the North Bay/Sudbury line and there is gobs of crown land), if you do have somewhere to hunt the rules are pretty easy to live with.

You can start bow hunting deer in many area's on the first of October and the season goes until mid-December in some area's, until New Years Eve in others. So well over 90 days - you can use a Traditional bow, a Compound bow or a Crossbow (which is uber-restricted in many provinces if you can use it at all).

There is also a one or two week rifle season in the southern areas, a couple of months long in some of the northern areas where "any" centerfire is legal. There is also a one week black powder season (no restrictions on caliber or ignition method etc).

You can walk in and buy a deer licence (antlered deer) in most WMU's (yes, there is some controlled hunts in the most populated areas, but there is enough to go around even there). A number of areas offer "extra tags".

So if you aren't fussy on "what you hunt with" you can hunt deer for at least three months of the year.

There is also fairly healthy populations of birds (both upland and water fowl), rabbits, squirrels and a ton of coyote's and ground hogs if you like "blasting varmints" - Coyote is open all year in most of southern Ontario and there is not many restrictions on "what" you can hunt them with (save a few parts of SouthWestern Ontario).

Moose, due to low numbers is getting tougher to pull a tag on and Elk is almost at elite status since a hunt has just begun for these, but the population is growing.

When I was kid you could only see a Turkey in a zoo. Now they are everywhere due to some government support and the work of private organizations. From their introduction some 30 years ago until today where we have viable hunts (1 spring, two birds allowed, 1 fall, one bird allowed), that is one example of what can be accomplished if guys actually get out and do something instead of sitting around #####ing.

And now we are seeing the re-introduction of the spring bear hunt to compliment the fall hunt. That was probably more to do with the cost of dealing with "pest bears" and lost revenue from the restricted moose season than any real pressure by hunters.

And while the government support is barely "luke warm" in Ontario, it is there. And unless you are one of those guys that want's to be able to eat breakfast at home, drive out and hunt for the day, have supper back at home with the family and sleep in your own bed there is a ton of hunting opportunities in Ontario.
 
razorbeck said:
Manitoba has a deer population problem right now but it has nothing to do with hunting pressure it has to do with natural disasters called severe winters. There is excelent access to public land and there are many non draw big game opportunities but they are remote areas and not easy or for the lazy.

So little Lord Fauntelroy, how is your plan to fence the whole province going to stop winter? I mean if fencing the place is going to stop the cold and snow sign me the f-up
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Why travel hundreds or thousands of kilometers to find game when you can have it on your own property. You shouldn't have to travel far to hunt. It should be accessible and affordable to all. Land holding neighbors who provide any type of value for conservation are hard to find, notwithstanding, big land owners who practice strict game management or have enough land near you to produce ample huntable wildlife populations aren't exactly common these days...do we agree?

A fence and species within those areas is a bad thing? Not too long ago game was abundant in areas right now that have few species or animals. Can you guess what happened? People kept going north to find game and depleted those areas as well. Nobody remebered to or could afford to save a few areas close to where they lived to supply their game? You should be supportive of any conservation oriented activity by members such as myself. There are so few people these days who truly value wildlife and are willing to acquire land needed to produce wildlife outside of a zoo.

Are there any successful game managers or landholders that want to provide stories of how thier hard work and investment in conservation has provided improving conditions for hunters and wildlife? Anyone?? Surely there must be some one on this forum that can support my initiatives.
 
Well put Graham..... I spend some time travelling up north for Timberwolves and grouse (I go to the Ivanhoe area or Kapuscasing).....

But right nearby is some excellent deer hunting and I fill my tags for both them and turkey every year.... My camp in tamworth is loaded with bear, grouse and deer is pretty good......

Coyote are everywhere and so are bunnies..... I hunt waterfowl on the Saint Lawrence and some of the local cornfields make for excellent goose hunting.....

I certainly don't feel deprived as a hunter living in Ontario....
 
umchorn2 said:
Why travel hundreds or thousands of kilometers to find game when you can have it on your own property. You shouldn't have to travel far to hunt. It should be accessible and affordable to all. Land holding neighbors who provide any type of value for conservation are hard to find, notwithstanding, big land owners who practice strict game management or have enough land near you to produce ample huntable wildlife populations aren't exactly common these days...do we agree?

A fence and species within those areas is a bad thing? Not too long ago game was abundant in areas right now that have few species or animals. Can you guess what happened? People kept going north to find game and depleted those areas as well. Nobody remebered to or could afford to save a few areas close to where they lived to supply their game? You should be supportive of any conservation oriented activity by members such as myself. There are so few people these days who truly value wildlife and are willing to acquire land needed to produce wildlife outside of a zoo.

Are there any successful game managers or landholders that want to provide stories of how thier hard work and investment in conservation has provided improving conditions for hunters and wildlife? Anyone?? Surely there must be some one on this forum that can support my initiatives.
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Building a small self sustained environment on your own land and fencing it in and monitoring "your" herd that the point that you know the age of your deer and chose which one you will shoot every year isn't hunting...... And it is doing nothing to preserve hunting..... I suppose you fish in your aquarium too?
 
Superbrad...I'm done trying to point out to you what I would like to see. If you ain't got it by now you just ain't gettin it. I have hunted public land for many years and am likely to continue.

I have worked hard for what I have and would like to enjoy things my way. If I want to have animals in my fenced in 470 acres or go partners with another like minded individual then that's what kind of hunt I want. If I want to support landowners financially or expect to be compensated as an incentive to keep wildlife over cattle then I guess we have differing ideas and values.

If anythjng I have suggested in any way somehow decreases your freedom or opportunity to hunt make a logical arguement with evidence. You are free to continue to hunt on public land...as am I. I'm not trying to change that. I'm only pointing out the benefits of and advocating for more landowner rights. You can only take wildlife from places for so long before you gotta start putting something back. If you or anyone else is too cheap to pay to play don't try to prevent others from attaining their goals. You're going to have to buy the cow to get the milk the way things are going.
 
I don't care how hard you worked for what you have, that is your business and not mine......

You are pretty self righteous in your assumption that I am unwilling to "pay to play" ..... I own two hunting properties and I don't feel the need to high fence either one of them.... The game there is plentiful, and I choose to support hunting by bringing new hunters out on my property, and believe it or not, I don't charge them a dime......

As for your suggestion that fellow taxpayers should pay you a fee to keep your own little game preserve that does nothing to help anyone but you and doesn't provide an ounce of help to anyone but yourself..... Well, good luck with all that....

Talks of only seeing animals in zoos...... Builds his own zoo..... Go figure
 
Superbrad said:
I don't care how hard you worked for what you have, that is your business and not mine......

You are pretty self righteous in your assumption that I am unwilling to "pay to play" ..... I own two hunting properties and I don't feel the need to high fence either one of them.... The game there is plentiful, and I choose to support hunting by bringing new hunters out on my property, and believe it or not, I don't charge them a dime......

As for your suggestion that fellow taxpayers should pay you a fee to keep your own little game preserve that does nothing to help anyone but you and doesn't provide an ounce of help to anyone but yourself..... Well, good luck with all that....

Talks of only seeing animals in zoos...... Builds his own zoo..... Go figure
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Haha...thats funny!
 
Superbrad said:
Well put Graham..... I spend some time travelling up north for Timberwolves and grouse (I go to the Ivanhoe area or Kapuscasing).....

But right nearby is some excellent deer hunting and I fill my tags for both them and turkey every year.... My camp in tamworth is loaded with bear, grouse and deer is pretty good......

Coyote are everywhere and so are bunnies..... I hunt waterfowl on the Saint Lawrence and some of the local cornfields make for excellent goose hunting.....


:agree:
I certainly don't feel deprived as a hunter living in Ontario....
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I have lived in four provincess and hunted in 5 so far. I have never felt deprived as a hunter in Canada period! Talk with people about hunting who have immigrated here from other countries. We are on top of the ladder, plain and simple.
 
the spank said:
I have lived in four provincess and hunted in 5 so far. I have never felt deprived as a hunter in Canada period! Talk with people about hunting who have immigrated here from other countries. We are on top of the ladder, plain and simple.
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I fully agree...... And if I feel I need to step out of my local boundaries, there is a lot of game at my disposal...... On the cheap compared to elsewhere......
 
Superbrad said:
I don't care how hard you worked for what you have, that is your business and not mine......

You are pretty self righteous in your assumption that I am unwilling to "pay to play" ..... I own two hunting properties and I don't feel the need to high fence either one of them.... The game there is plentiful, and I choose to support hunting by bringing new hunters out on my property, and believe it or not, I don't charge them a dime......

As for your suggestion that fellow taxpayers should pay you a fee to keep your own little game preserve that does nothing to help anyone but you and doesn't provide an ounce of help to anyone but yourself..... Well, good luck with all that....

Talks of only seeing animals in zoos...... Builds his own zoo with taxpayer money if he gets his way..... Go figure
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That about sums it up.
 
the spank said:
Sounds to me like you are looking for the European approach to Wildlife Management which takes the average working person out of the game. Only the wealthy and elite can afford to or acquire permission to hunt in Europe. No thanks. I'll continue on the path I am currently on. Some of the monies generated from my license acquisitions goes into the conservation pot. It may not be as much as I'd like but at least some is making it. As well I contribute privately through club memberships, fund raising drives, dinners etc.. That works for me, even if it means game in areas I cannot gain access to. Not the end of the world. I shoot enough game each season to please me. I'm not greedy nor do I feel I am owed a kill simply because I purchased a tag/license. Take your European model to Afghanistan.....go raise goats to kill!!
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What he says... or the system in the USA. We're sadly headed that way...
 
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