The most underrated catridge on the planet.

struff55 said:
the 223 is not cheap to shoot if you want it as a performance cartridge in fact it is very expensive .
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Not as expensive as a .308.
With 95 grain Match Kings I am loading only 24 grains of Varget.
I know it's only a few grains (6) less than a 105 in a 6mmBR but it is cheaper when it comes to a range load out to 1K
Cat
 
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well my attitude is different if i have to worry about 4 grains of powder or 2 cents a bullet or any such thing i best find a new hobby
i have been a shooter for 60 years trap and skeet and rifle and a avid fisherman i have spinning outfits that are 1400$ -2000$
i like to have the bed gear and the best component
just saying
each to his own
in fact it doesn't mater what i do the best tires on my truck
i'm buy know means wealthy that's just how i roll as they say
 
struff55 said:
well my attitude is different if i have to worry about 4 grains of powder or 2 cents a bullet or any such thing i best find a new hobby
i have been a shooter for 60 years trap and skeet and rifle and a avid fisherman i have spinning outfits that are 1400$ -2000$
i like to have the bed gear and the best component
just saying
each to his own
in fact it doesn't mater what i do the best tires on my truck
i'm buy know means wealthy that's just how i roll as they say
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My gear is anything but cheap as well, and I am not really concerned about the cost of shooting ,but some people are .
Cat
 
Bustercluck said:
The 223 Remington…

Pros
-Low recoil
-Cheap to shoot
-Good to at least a 1000 yards and will keep up fairly close to a 308 at that distance and likely better in closer.
-Components and ammo are always available
-The creedmoor haters won’t make man-bun comments and call you names.

Cons-
The magnum hunter Fudds will laugh at you for not being as manly as them

Obviously you’d need a rifle setup to shoot heavies at a reasonable speed.
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6.5x55. If I could only have 1 rifle, this is what it would be.
 
I’m gathering the 223 rem gets the bad rap from people trying to shoot 55 grain fmj through them and expecting more than american eagle can deliver. I guess I was wrong, I thought it was more of a case that people thought it wasn’t a mans gun.
 
here are some combos for those thinking about the 223 as an all around fun rifle for target shooting.

Speer 50gr TNT may just be the most affordable varmint/mid range bullet. Up to an 8 twist without issue and sub moa performance out to 600m (will get bounced around if going to 1000yds). mid burn ball powders like H335 to extruded like H4895 work. CCI 450 primer is rarely ever a bad choice.

There are a ton of varmint bullet options from 52 to 60'ish grs. Not really exciting to me as the ballistics/value math isn't as good as heavier or lighter choices. Now if you can find a sale on Hrn 55gr SPs and just want a plinking bullet to 600 and some laughs out to 1000yds, I would not disagree.

68gr to 75gr BTHP from hrn, sierra are a great place to be for availability, cost, decent ballistics and factory barrels. up to 8 twist without issue but will work in most factory twists except maybe the 12's and slower. Although best at mid range, these will get out to 1000yds

The 75gr Hrn ELDM in an 8 twist would be my choice as a 1 bullet close to far option cause this bullet seems to be available, well priced, mag friendly, chamber friendly, and QC seems to be decent. 1200yds is good fun... under calm conditions, it will go much further.

80 to 95gr need a 7 twist and can be great for those wanting a LR small case set up. I shot alot of Hrn 80gr Amax back in the day. Sierra and Berger make some fantastic options but bullet costs and loading fussiness may not be to everyones tastes. The rifle will also need to cater to the needs of the bullet and single feeding is typically used. My fave heavy is the 95gr Sierra MK which I toss out of a 22 Creedmoor

The most important tool if you want peak accuracy in a 223 case, quality milligram scale.

Jerry
 
I'm not entirely alone on this one... so I'll suggest the 30-30 as the most under rated cartridge today. Because todays shooters want the guns with the big bang effect. With the 30-30 I'll base my view on the following situation. Where the 30-30 was my first higher power rifle (produced in 1956) that I used for hunting (with open sights)... It was all I had, and ammo was affordable for this - then 16 year old hunter; where ammo was easy to obtain at about $9:00 bucks a box - and was do-able. And, my rifle was gifted to me by my Dad; and I still have it. I've seen what it could do, over and over again and it dropped deer and didn't make a mess of the meat. It really has a decent level of power for deer hunting. So much so that I dropped a deer at about 150 yards with Buckhorn open sights. And it's on the short list for taking lots and lots of animals for more then 120 years by many hunters throughout the decades.
 
L86 All Terrain said:
5.56 is good for suppressing fire and making the enemy run for concealment. 7.62 is good for teaching the enemy the difference between concealment and cover.
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True fer sure, especially from a minigun in an orbit pattern over the buggers. ;)

I've had a few .223/5.56 rifles over the yrs and just couldn't cotton up to the cartridge much. I preferred the 222 & 22-250 Rem over the 223.
Best use of the 223 case fer me be the 6x45 version.
 
Bustercluck said:
The 223 Remington…

Pros
-Low recoil
-Cheap to shoot
-Good to at least a 1000 yards and will keep up fairly close to a 308 at that distance and likely better in closer.
-Components and ammo are always available
-The creedmoor haters won’t make man-bun comments and call you names.

Cons-
The magnum hunter Fudds will laugh at you for not being as manly as them

Obviously you’d need a rifle setup to shoot heavies at a reasonable speed.
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Clearly not underrated by any standard...
 
I haven't been shooting as long as many (most) of you, but I really enjoy using a 223. I have a Howa Mini heavy barrel and I think me and the kid put 600 or 700 rounds through it(?) and have yet to not have fun. I buy the FH Munition 223, which works out to about $0.90 per shot. Just ordered another 1000 rounds.

We have a 7mm-08 that we often shoot. Super accurate, little heavier on the shoulder, but expensive. Not sure if that would be classified as under-rated but if it were cheaper or I reloaded, I'd shoot it quite a bit more.
 
I think the 458wm is one of the most underrated cartridges. Capable of any game on the planet. Can be cheaply loaded with cast bullets to big pellet gun standards. 300gr hp from 1000fps to 2700fps. 350gr at 2600fps. 400gr at 2400fps. 500gr at 2200fps. I cant think of much it cant do. Theres ppl shooting 4570 out passed 1000 yards. The 458wm can easily duplicate and or surpass the 4570 loadings
The straight wall is easy to load. Brass life is great
 
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