The Mountain Hunting Thread

Went goat hunting for the first time this year - loved it but dam you are not kidding about the physical requirements and the need for economy on what you bring...my seasoned friend looked over my gear and was tossing out things which literally measured grams. I understand now the need to cut weight where possible. Wish i could afford a lighter rifle though lol (all things in due time). Will be going back after some upgrades to my optics, pack, pad and maybe rifle.
 
freddyfour said:
I suppose, but the quotes in the article did not sound like the Angus we know here.

Edit: I doubt anyone here would judge for getting out of the industry in a year like this one.
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I agree, it's quiet a change from what he posted here. I enjoyed his insights into guided hunting and hunting in Africa.

I can't fault him for doing what's best for him economically. I'm sure it was tought going with the loss of the brown bear hunt and covid restrictions on top of it.
 
Mik123 said:
I agree, it's quiet a change from what he posted here. I enjoyed his insights into guided hunting and hunting in Africa.

I can't fault him for doing what's best for him economically. I'm sure it was tought going with the loss of the brown bear hunt and covid restrictions on top of it.
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Was it actually the best or just the quickest way out?
 
I would say the end of the grizzly hunt put him in a hell of a spot. He paid for that outfitting territory and the gtizzly hunt was the main draw of that area. I believe goats are the only other critter you could really sell hunts for in that area, there are blackies too, just not many customers. There aren't even that many guys looking for a goat only guided hunt, usually goat is taken on a mixed hunt. That area would be about the toughest spot in the province to get a goat as well, lot's of goats but difficult access to very steep and very thick country. I think it would be tough to make that territory pay its way guiding, I really doubt any other guide would pay him much for that territory, and with the grizzly hunt already banned and access so limited to residents just by virtue of difficulty, I'm actually surprised he was able to get Raincoast to pay him anything. I don't blame him at all, probably his only chance to recover his investment.
 
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Tenures work on a use it or loose it, as a BC taxpayer I demand that the hunting tenure be canceled and reassigned.
 
Didn't the government have some compensation to outfitters for the cancelled hunt?

650K sounds cheap...pretty sure back in the 90's it was listed at 750K
 
MiG25 said:
Tenures work on a use it or loose it, as a BC taxpayer I demand that the hunting tenure be canceled and reassigned.
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Raincoast takes people out and pretend to hunt, they're totally cheeky about it and I agree, they should lose the license over it.
 
MiG25 said:
Tenures work on a use it or loose it, as a BC taxpayer I demand that the hunting tenure be canceled and reassigned.
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They say they will hunt it but their clients are "Overly fastidious in selecting an animal to harvest"...as in no animals will be of the trophy quality they seek.
 
hawk-i said:
Didn't the government have some compensation to outfitters for the cancelled hunt?

650K sounds cheap...pretty sure back in the 90's it was listed at 750K
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Back in the 90's you could hunt grizzlies and that area was probably one of the best for it. Back in the 90's they hadn't yet carved the Kitlope conservancy around Kitlope lake out of that territory. It probably is cheap but I really think it'd be tough to make any money on it at this point. Still a neat area to hunt though.
I don't know if there was any compensation. I know one outfitter near Angus was set to sue BC government over the grizzly ban, not sure what came of it. Fleming I think.
 
hawk-i said:
They say they will hunt it but their clients are "Overly fastidious in selecting an animal to harvest"...as in no animals will be of the trophy quality they seek.
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Royalties are due on animals taken, if none are taken those rights should be cancelled, full stop. Try that with a mineral claim or timber licence.
 
MattW said:
Back in the 90's you could hunt grizzlies and that area was probably one of the best for it. Back in the 90's they hadn't yet carved the Kitlope conservancy around Kitlope lake out of that territory. It probably is cheap but I really think it'd be tough to make any money on it at this point. Still a neat area to hunt though.
I don't know if there was any compensation. I know one outfitter near Angus was set to sue BC government over the grizzly ban, not sure what came of it. Fleming I think.
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that was when Hill had it, wasn't it?
 
Sounds to me like the sale means less competition for other outfitters and a great spot for resident hunters to jump in without stepping on toes. It does not sound like the end of the world folks, in fact I would be asking him nicely for some marked up maps once the keys change hands
 
Fisherguy55 said:
Sounds to me like the sale means less competition for other outfitters and a great spot for resident hunters to jump in without stepping on toes. It does not sound like the end of the world folks, in fact I would be asking him nicely for some marked up maps once the keys change hands
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I think you're right about that in the short term, that said the area is so rugged and inaccessible there never was an issue with stepping on toes anyway. Longer term I wonder if they'll be pursuing ways to exclude resident hunting as well, like they did with bears on the Queen Charlotte's. I think it's a bit of a head scratcher that they bought it at all with the fairly limited hunting going on there, but I guess the price was right.
 
I’m not going to shed a tear about one less outfitter and more opportunities for bc resident hunters.

What else could he have done when the govt took away 75% of his revenue. Easy for everyone to say he should have sold to another outfitter for pennies on the dollar, when it’s not your house/family/livelihood on the line.
 
Slimbo said:
I’m not going to shed a tear about one less outfitter and more opportunities for bc resident hunters.

What else could he have done when the govt took away 75% of his revenue. Easy for everyone to say he should have sold to another outfitter for pennies on the dollar, when it’s not your house/family/livelihood on the line.
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That's right. My beef if that Rain Coast is allowed to sit on it. If I had a timber licence and brought people out to take photos of trees and didn't pay any stumpage I'm sure the govt would yank the licence so fast my head would spin.
 
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