The New Canadian Ranger Rifle
- Thread starter Rebel Rouser
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@ Mr Larrysmith - Let's put it THIS way - which bullet would YOU rather be at the wrong end of?
1. A 155gr .308 Win at 2650 fps - m/e 2417 ft lbs.
2. A 174gr 7.5x55 at 2650 fps - m/e 2713 ft lbs.
1.2 TONS of muzzle energy impresses the heck out of THIS boy.
Some of us here would be really interested to hear what your opinion is based on, seeing as it can't be simple ballistics.
As Diopter notes, the 7.5x55 cartridge is most of the way toward a .30-06, rather than a slightly different .308Win/7.62x51 NATO. AFAIK, nobody has ever complained about the .30-06 cartridge as 'a joke'. Ask all those Japanese and Germans and Koreans etc...
Just because the Swiss round never actually went to war, does not mean that it's 'a joke'. That thing is sure going to leave a mark, IMO. You might be interested to know that it was initially developed right alongside the original .303 British cartridge, with a similar volume case and similar 200gr PP bullet and compressed BP charge. The Swiss, however, went for the world's first jacketed bullet instead with the GP90 cartridge. The Swiss gentleman who had a big hand in designing BOTH cartridges was none other than Colonel Eduard Rubin, of Schmidt-Rubin fame - on a sabbatical at the Enfield Lock arsenal. For reasons best known to themselves, the British stuck with a rimmed cartridge, and the Swiss, and just about everybody else [except the Russians], went for a rimless case. This had long-term repercussions in the design of machine guns, of course, although that might be a subject for another time, if you've read this far, of course.
tac
www.swissrifles.com
1. A 155gr .308 Win at 2650 fps - m/e 2417 ft lbs.
2. A 174gr 7.5x55 at 2650 fps - m/e 2713 ft lbs.
1.2 TONS of muzzle energy impresses the heck out of THIS boy.
Some of us here would be really interested to hear what your opinion is based on, seeing as it can't be simple ballistics.
As Diopter notes, the 7.5x55 cartridge is most of the way toward a .30-06, rather than a slightly different .308Win/7.62x51 NATO. AFAIK, nobody has ever complained about the .30-06 cartridge as 'a joke'. Ask all those Japanese and Germans and Koreans etc...
Just because the Swiss round never actually went to war, does not mean that it's 'a joke'. That thing is sure going to leave a mark, IMO. You might be interested to know that it was initially developed right alongside the original .303 British cartridge, with a similar volume case and similar 200gr PP bullet and compressed BP charge. The Swiss, however, went for the world's first jacketed bullet instead with the GP90 cartridge. The Swiss gentleman who had a big hand in designing BOTH cartridges was none other than Colonel Eduard Rubin, of Schmidt-Rubin fame - on a sabbatical at the Enfield Lock arsenal. For reasons best known to themselves, the British stuck with a rimmed cartridge, and the Swiss, and just about everybody else [except the Russians], went for a rimless case. This had long-term repercussions in the design of machine guns, of course, although that might be a subject for another time, if you've read this far, of course.
tac
www.swissrifles.com
Apparently Larrysmith has very limited real world knowledge. The GP90 is as powerful as the M118LR and 7.5mm use very similar same bullet diameter as 7.62mm (7.77mm vs 7.82mm). Most match shooters reload 7.5mm with .308 bullets. I have loaded 168 and 175 grain SMK's and achieved outstanding accuracy at 300 meters.
maple_leaf_eh
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Receivers aren't what the Rangers tend to break or lose. Stocks, sights, magazines and bolts would be my best guesses for consumable parts. If you have definitive proof of significant quantities of new, never opened, reliably dimensioned No.4 parts, I suggest you advise the Department of National Defence, Assistant Deputy Minister Material. The Smalls Arms Item Managers are always looking for shelf stock to keep the existing fleet serviceable. However, if you are waxing nostalgic about once-upon-a-time existences, I suggest you leave the project management to the professionals who are trying their level best to get a suitable rifle into the hands of the Rangers.
No doubt he's off on another forum somewhere, telling folks that that ol' Mosin-Nagant round is a joke...
I'm always read to learn something new every day, sometimes twice a day, but flying in the face of proven physics is something that does not rest well with me. No doubt somebody here has a ballistics programme that can show retained velocity at 1000 yards for each bullet - given that they will have a markedly different BC. That old Swiss GP11 bullet looks remarkably like a modern Berger VLD bullet.......
tac
I'm always read to learn something new every day, sometimes twice a day, but flying in the face of proven physics is something that does not rest well with me. No doubt somebody here has a ballistics programme that can show retained velocity at 1000 yards for each bullet - given that they will have a markedly different BC. That old Swiss GP11 bullet looks remarkably like a modern Berger VLD bullet.......
tac
Quote - by Larrysmith - 'K-31? The round is to small. They should be armed with atleast a .308'.
Pure BS.
Many of us here have already told you, even showing you diagrams, that not only is the 7.5x55 cartridge - called GP11, BTW - larger AND heavier than the issue .308/7.62x51 NATO that the Rangers use, but it is more efficient, has more muzzle energy AND uses the same diameter bullet.
Please come up with some facts to back up your preposterous comments.
tac
www.swissrifles.com
Pure BS.
Many of us here have already told you, even showing you diagrams, that not only is the 7.5x55 cartridge - called GP11, BTW - larger AND heavier than the issue .308/7.62x51 NATO that the Rangers use, but it is more efficient, has more muzzle energy AND uses the same diameter bullet.
Please come up with some facts to back up your preposterous comments.
tac
www.swissrifles.com
antiqueguy
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- windsor ontario
receiver = new guns as for other parts or even guns just got to look hard enough these things pop up is good supply every now and then. the best option is just to have Colt Canada make up new no4 mk1 rifles with detachable mags and in .308. what the rangers will end up with is some POS with a plastic stock that might not be 100% reliable in the weather and the no4's in service now will be destroyed they should just be sold off publicly or give the rangers the option to buy them
This one would be an interesting choice.
http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/model/11Scout
Has iron peep sights, LER scope rail ( personally would prefer an offset regular eye relief scope mount), and brake.
Winter trigger guard would be nice along with enlarge, glove friendly mag release lever and anti frostbite protection on cheek pad and forearm.
Actually, a laminated wood stock with a upper hand guard would be nice too instead of plastic or composite in the cold.
http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/model/11Scout
Has iron peep sights, LER scope rail ( personally would prefer an offset regular eye relief scope mount), and brake.
Winter trigger guard would be nice along with enlarge, glove friendly mag release lever and anti frostbite protection on cheek pad and forearm.
Actually, a laminated wood stock with a upper hand guard would be nice too instead of plastic or composite in the cold.
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I'm always intrigued when someone makes a statement like this. For those of us, including myself, who would like this qualified, could you please define what this means? In other words, exactly how much do you think it would cost to spool up production from start to finish, with the requisite number of rifles, parts, spares and warranty in the hands of DND?
I'm genuinely curious to see your business plan.
antiqueguy
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- windsor ontario
cnc equipment looks like a few buttons is all it take to start making something but that's for someone that does no have a analog brain
What's he's saying is that the government doesn't want to make guns. Companies make guns and sell to governments. How it's been for a long time. If the government made a lee enfield, it would cost $5000 per rifle at their current fiscal success rate. Lol
And not sure why everyone thinks only the lee enfield can do the job. I'm sure there are plenty of more then capable rifles out there.
antiqueguy
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- windsor ontario
if it aint broke don't fix it the no4 has done the job for decades why change it. I doubt it would cost that in reality unless they are paying guys $500 a hour to push a few buttons and sit around
That looks pretty slick, they'd have to replace the rear sight though, looks like it adjusts the same as the sight on one of my .22cals, you need a screwdriver to do anything; http://www.austriaarms.com/database_items/4_0229658001323021326_009.jpg
I heard a few years ago that they were working out a deal for new production Lee-Enfields in .308, but it fell through (can't remember if it was quality issues or if the company making them went under). It's too bad, I know I'd buy a new Lee-Enfield if they were available, no matter the calibre.
ehealth, ornge, the oakville gas plants, ontario now a have not province, and you want the government to build guns? It just isnt a reality I see happening. Im not arguing that the LE may be a great option for up there, I just dont see them building more.
He seems to have gone away...along with a number of his posts, like the one about the Mekong Delta.
I don't think that we will be diminished by his absence. 
The new one looks like a slick rig
http://news.nationalpost.com/news/c...against-large-carnivores-extreme-temperatures
http://news.nationalpost.com/news/c...against-large-carnivores-extreme-temperatures
