The new P226 Elite Platinum
- Thread starter Patrickshot
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I disagree. The beavertail helps guide your grip when blindly grabbing it from your holster. The curve at the back/top of the grip is what protects you from a slide bite. The guns with or without the beavertail have the same grip point. Methinks this guys speak out of his ass. Does he have a trophy for that?
I will agree that the beavertail does stop you from putting your thumb on the hammer, but the DA/SA pistols come with a decoker lever that is very accessible. with your thumb (right handers only) that would have the same effect as putting your thumb on the hammer. Hold down the decocker and pull the trigger. It is an easy change to transition to. There may be a better way, but with a DA, I've never felt the need to cover the hammer. This is not a 1911. If I didn't know better, I would say these comments come from a user used to 1911, who is playing internet warrior.
I'm not dissagreeing with your comments but I think this is the guy that said that stuff.
Todd Green does NOT talk out of his ass and he is not an internet warrior. I've taken courses from Todd and must say that he's one of the best firearms instructors I've worked with. He knows his stuff and he has proven his ability not just to teach but to walk the walk... he is a proven competition shooter.
When it comes to competing with a SIG in IDPA, IPSC and other "games" he has few who can keep up with him.
Having said that... his opinion doesn't mean there aren't other opinions and that other opinions aren't valid. Obviously there are lots of people who like beavertail frames... or they wouldn't be selling... if Todd's opinion was the only opinion then every other Master class shooter would all be using the same gun Todd is and there would be no other choices... clearly that's not the case... clearly top shooters don't agree on what is the best gun... or the best configuration... or the best setup... etc..
It's always a great idea to read what the pro's and experts have to say... but in the end you make the choice and you decide on what you believe is best for you. If the gun someone recommends doesn't feel right to you then maybe it's not right... regardless of what they say.
I learned a lot from Todd Green... and enjoyed my time spent in his classes... He never once spoke out of his ass... but I can tell you that he had (when I last saw him) one of the fastest and most accurate draws from concealment that I'd ever seen using a retention holster and a DAO pistol. He was the furthest thing from an "internet warrior" that I've ever seen.
Mark
When it comes to competing with a SIG in IDPA, IPSC and other "games" he has few who can keep up with him.
Having said that... his opinion doesn't mean there aren't other opinions and that other opinions aren't valid. Obviously there are lots of people who like beavertail frames... or they wouldn't be selling... if Todd's opinion was the only opinion then every other Master class shooter would all be using the same gun Todd is and there would be no other choices... clearly that's not the case... clearly top shooters don't agree on what is the best gun... or the best configuration... or the best setup... etc..
It's always a great idea to read what the pro's and experts have to say... but in the end you make the choice and you decide on what you believe is best for you. If the gun someone recommends doesn't feel right to you then maybe it's not right... regardless of what they say.
I learned a lot from Todd Green... and enjoyed my time spent in his classes... He never once spoke out of his ass... but I can tell you that he had (when I last saw him) one of the fastest and most accurate draws from concealment that I'd ever seen using a retention holster and a DAO pistol. He was the furthest thing from an "internet warrior" that I've ever seen.
Mark
Wtf are you talking about? Do you even know what the decock lever does?
When you holster, you either put your thumb on the hammer or on the back end of the slide to prevent your pistol to go out of battery.
Hey Mark, don't let the complainers get you down. They would never buy anyway. BTW, I got a hard on for a P220 X-Six, availibility and cost please
Those are a MasterShop gun... special order/custom build out of Germany. The wait time on those is 6 to 12 months (closer to the 12 month end) and the cost is right through the roof. I can't even calculate an actual cost as we can't be sure the permits will be available when the gun finally is built... nor do we have any idea what the currency exchange rates would be at that time either.
I can't really process an order for one of those under those conditions... just too many uncontrolled variables.
Sorry.
Mark
- Location
- Vancouver Island
There is way too much arguing going on here. You guys need to watch some #### and chill out.Sooo I am thinking I need to feel a SIG P226 in my hand to see if I like it. I have a size small surf glove if that helps. So far it looks awesome. Has a .22 conversion kit for it.Everyone says the quality is superb. All good news.
Hey Mark, don't let the complainers get you down. They would never buy anyway. BTW, I got a hard on for a P220 X-Six, availibility and cost please
Not to mention who wants to sell a gun to a guy who gets a hard on just thinking about it? Yech!
Patrick,
The gun is back on our site... the fellow who placed the order 2 days ago never followed through on payment so it's still available...
https://shopquestar.com/shopping65/shopexd.asp?id=538&bc=no
Mark
For the record, we're all chill here. We are not arguing anything. We are politely discussing our understanding of the SIG elite series features.
Regarding this small part of the discussion, I was assuming he was talking about holstering with your thumb to feel the hammer to prevent AD/ND. The Gun Digest book of Sig Sauer by Massad Ayoob talks about this on p. 168 and 169. My point is that with a decocker, you don't need to look or feel for a cocked hammer, as this assures us that the hammer is down regardless of the circumstances. As for pushing the slide out of battery, I'm not sure about the logic of blaming the beavertail for the problem of a tight holster. Fix the holster and problem solved. I would also like to add that I tried it on mine last night, and found that the beavertail stopped me from accessing the hammer without shifting the pistol in my grip to an unacceptable level (out of firing range), but it did not stop me from holing the slide forward. Not that this matters to me, as my Blackhawk Serpa CQC doesn't push my slide out of battery.
So the proceedure should be:
1) Use the decock to assure that the hammer is down.
2) Place thumb on back of slide
3) Holster pistol.
Maybe I am on drugs. And I should add that I AM an internet warrior known to talk out of his ass from time to time. What I want to stress is that if an idea is bad, credibility and skill don't mean much. Like right now, Dominic D'Alessandro head of Manulife may be a very highly skilled and well qualified financial and business leader, but when your bright idea causes a 75% drop in share price and losses of billions of dollars, your claim to fame is not that shiny anymore.
I mean no disrespect to Todd Louis Green. He may very well be the cats ass and the best thing since sliced bread. Internet warrior he is not. He may still be talking out of his ass. Perhaps it may be better to say that he may have been making a casual comment that he did not expect would be scruitinized to this degree. The point I am making though is not about him. It was about beavertails and finger position when holstering.
I state that a beavertail on a SIG does not change your grip position. I also don't believe it helps you from slide bite. The grips forward setting from where you put the web of your thumb takes care of that. The beaver tail is at most a guide for grabbing your pistol from it's holster. And that is probably overstating it. I agree that it is marketing crap and not functional. Mark's comment about it selling well and being a point of preference is to miss the point. The world is full of stupid #### that sells well because people are fundamentally idiots. Beavertails wich make sense on a 1911 became an aftermarket mod that people liked because it did stop slide bit. Pretty soon people started associating beavertails with premium "custom" guns. SIG is now trying to profit from that association so they added a cosmetic beavertail that offers little to no functionality. I am with Todd on this one, but he stated...
This is simply not true. The beavertail is not functional because the grip common to both pistols is the same on SIGS.
Regarding this small part of the discussion, I was assuming he was talking about holstering with your thumb to feel the hammer to prevent AD/ND. The Gun Digest book of Sig Sauer by Massad Ayoob talks about this on p. 168 and 169. My point is that with a decocker, you don't need to look or feel for a cocked hammer, as this assures us that the hammer is down regardless of the circumstances. As for pushing the slide out of battery, I'm not sure about the logic of blaming the beavertail for the problem of a tight holster. Fix the holster and problem solved. I would also like to add that I tried it on mine last night, and found that the beavertail stopped me from accessing the hammer without shifting the pistol in my grip to an unacceptable level (out of firing range), but it did not stop me from holing the slide forward. Not that this matters to me, as my Blackhawk Serpa CQC doesn't push my slide out of battery.
So the proceedure should be:
1) Use the decock to assure that the hammer is down.
2) Place thumb on back of slide
3) Holster pistol.
Maybe I am on drugs. And I should add that I AM an internet warrior known to talk out of his ass from time to time. What I want to stress is that if an idea is bad, credibility and skill don't mean much. Like right now, Dominic D'Alessandro head of Manulife may be a very highly skilled and well qualified financial and business leader, but when your bright idea causes a 75% drop in share price and losses of billions of dollars, your claim to fame is not that shiny anymore.
I mean no disrespect to Todd Louis Green. He may very well be the cats ass and the best thing since sliced bread. Internet warrior he is not. He may still be talking out of his ass. Perhaps it may be better to say that he may have been making a casual comment that he did not expect would be scruitinized to this degree. The point I am making though is not about him. It was about beavertails and finger position when holstering.
I state that a beavertail on a SIG does not change your grip position. I also don't believe it helps you from slide bite. The grips forward setting from where you put the web of your thumb takes care of that. The beaver tail is at most a guide for grabbing your pistol from it's holster. And that is probably overstating it. I agree that it is marketing crap and not functional. Mark's comment about it selling well and being a point of preference is to miss the point. The world is full of stupid #### that sells well because people are fundamentally idiots. Beavertails wich make sense on a 1911 became an aftermarket mod that people liked because it did stop slide bit. Pretty soon people started associating beavertails with premium "custom" guns. SIG is now trying to profit from that association so they added a cosmetic beavertail that offers little to no functionality. I am with Todd on this one, but he stated...
This is simply not true. The beavertail is not functional because the grip common to both pistols is the same on SIGS.
Dont mean to hijack this thread but is there any difference besides the sights and the aluminum grips to this P226?
https://shopquestar.com/shopping65/shopdisplayproducts.asp?id=127&cat=P226+Limited+Edition
https://shopquestar.com/shopping65/shopdisplayproducts.asp?id=127&cat=P226+Limited+Edition
- Location
- Port Perry/Toronto
Hey Mark, don't let the complainers get you down. They would never buy anyway. BTW, I got a hard on for a P220 X-Six, availibility and cost please
Don't worry. If your looking for a custom shop SIG, The Shooting Edge and DAK Sports can get them in for you.
I believe that Questar deals mainly with American imports.
