The new Tikka T1X Rimfire

Interesting discussion about barrel attachment. Although Anschutz did go to a threaded barrel attachment with the 54.30, I find it hard to understand why this can be expected to reduce stresses on the chamber. Maybe someone can explain that.
Anschutz makes the following claim: "Unlike match actions in the past, the new Match 54.30 features a threaded receiver and barrel connection.
This change removes stresses in the chamber area and further increases accuracy."

See h t t p://jga.anschuetz-sport.com/index.php5?produktID=1093&menu=105&seite=51&sprache=1&produktShow=detail&PHPSESSID=f8cb815dc664938da58b920ed47708cf

I cannot confirm or refute what Anschutz asserts. (Not yet, anyway.;))
 
Interesting discussion about barrel attachment. Although Anschutz did go to a threaded barrel attachment with the 54.30, I find it hard to understand why this can be expected to reduce stresses on the chamber. Maybe someone can explain that. Perhaps threading was necessary with their new two-piece chamber. From what I've read, most of the accuracy gunsmiths rebarreling M54 actions with new aftermarket barrels for BR shooters use the same press fit method used by Anschutz, and a lot of them also use one of the stronger Loctite versions on the joint. One notable exception to this would be Bill Calfee who likes to thread the barrel on his M54 jobs.

And Anschutz used an entirely different barrel-attachment method with the 2007/13 models--laterally-oriented clamping screws under the barrel tenon. Sako also used this method with their P94S models (original Finnfires). I've never owned a CZ, but it sounds as though this is how they attach the barrels in some of their models.

Has anyone definitively shared how the new Tikka T1X barrels will be attached. The word "threaded" has appeared in some places, but could this refer to cross-screws as with the Sako P94S, rather than the usual threaded attachment method?

the threading mentioned in the articles thus far are referring to the muzzle end of the barrel being threaded for our unlikely use of a moderator or can, as for the barrel to action fitment, who cares, so long as it shoots lights out for the price point it's being offered. With the accuracy of their current and past rifles I don't believe we're going to be disappointed, well with the exception of the $119.oo spare magazine
 
And Anschutz used an entirely different barrel-attachment method with the 2007/13 models--laterally-oriented clamping screws under the barrel tenon. Sako also used this method with their P94S models (original Finnfires). I've never owned a CZ, but it sounds as though this is how they attach the barrels in some of their models.

Has anyone definitively shared how the new Tikka T1X barrels will be attached. The word "threaded" has appeared in some places, but could this refer to cross-screws as with the Sako P94S, rather than the usual threaded attachment method?

The "threaded" reference in the Tikka ad refers the front of the barrel. And the barrel-attachment method of the Anschutz 2007/13 models is completely different from the CZ 455 models. If the CZ model would have adapted the same type of attachment as is on the Anschutz 2007/13 models, there would be no complains......
And as far as using Loctite on Anschutz replacement barrels with the pined/press fit is concerned, it is because the taper (and the taper fit) is very difficult to duplicate on a new barrel and Loctite is used to keep the whole thing solid, hence, that is on of the reasons Bill Calfee and others thread these Anschutz replacement barrels and bore/thread the actions.

And I agree with my buddy Dave, if the Tikka shoots good, who cares, it looks like a very nice and well made gun, the Kikka barrel attachment to the receiver is most likely of a very good design.
 
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Al Flipo and yodave, I understand that the term "threaded" is frequently used to describe the muzzle end, but I've seen the term used specifically for the barrel/receiver joint in some of the hundreds (maybe thousands by now!) of posts about the new Tikka T1x.

I agree that one attachment method is likely as good as any other, and I don't expect this factor to have any effect, one way or the other, on practical accuracy. For me, it's more just a matter of understanding gunmaking practices.
 
And as far as using Loctite on Anschutz replacement barrels with the pined/press fit is concerned, it is because the taper (and the taper fit) is very difficult to duplicate on a new barrel and Loctite is used to keep the whole thing solid, hence, that is why Bill Calfee and others thread these Anschutz replacement barrels and the actions.
As for the "press" fit of the usual Anschutz barrels, I've read that Anschutz heats the receiver before pressing the barrel tenon into it so that, with cooling, the receiver will contract around the barrel tenon and the joint will be solidly tight. The vertical pins have next-to-no function in reality, and many accuracy gunsmiths just dispense with them.
 
As you know, the Anschutz barrels are press fit and pined to the receiver with a taper. It takes a serious force to remove that barrel from the receiver... After having removed some of these Anschutz barrels from their action, I have complete confidence that nothing will ever move in that Anschutz design.

As for the CZ 455, what advantages does it offer...? If you change barrels on this gun on a regular basis, the set screws which hold the barrel in place are probably going to fail, and how would you duplicate the factory torque settings (equally) on both screws. Perhaps I am overly cynical of the design, I just don't like it.

Yes, the Anschütz barrels are solidly mated to the receiver, I've knocked a couple out myself. Interesting that you say the CZ 455 set screws will fail, there have not been any reports of this occurring that I've seen, and it'd probably take a very long time and many uses to occur. It is common knowledge in the CZ circle that the factory tends to over-torque the barrel screws, so it is usually advised to loosen them off then re-torque to 30-35 in-lbs. The factory torque is irrelevant, and at the suggested torque setting the barrel locks up very solidly to the receiver and is repeatable with a quality torque wrench.


To their owners? Very little, in my opinion. To CZ? Likely, a less expensive manufacturing process poorly disguised as a "value-added" thing...the ability to swap calibers. To me, you're gambling a rigid barrel/action connection (aka, CZ452) in favor of a feature most people will never use, and potentially..compromised accuracy. In the interest of transparency, I've never owned/fired a 455. I do own a 452 and a BRNO 2E. My opinions are based on superb results with both, superb results with the 452 17HMR I once owned, and reports I've read about problem 455s.

So, you recognize that what you're saying is merely speculation and opinion. I own three 455' in various stages of customization, and I certainly do not identify myself as a CZ "fanboi" of any sort, I am very honest and transparent in my observations about the rifles I shoot. The "problems" with 455's are 99% due to barrel defects, since as far as I have observed CZ does not perform any sort of quality control on their chambering and crowning processes. I do know from personal experience that a 455 action with a good barrel attached to it is capable of very impressive accuracy results. The 455 action is much easier/cheaper to fit a custom barrel to compared to a 452, and I've enjoyed being able to swap the .17 HMR and .22 LR barrels in my Full Stock rifle. Actually, I only wanted a .17 HMR but they were only available as .22 LR's, so I had to buy it that way and also get a .17 HMR barrel set to do what I wanted. If it weren't for the barrel swap capability, I probably would not own a 455 Full Stock rifle. I'll take on your Anschütz 64 Tactical Trainer in competition vs my Custom 455 any day, and feel bad about taking your money, since I know you don't stand a chance, my rifle is that dialed in. If the 455 action suffers from it's barrel attachment method, I cannot observe it.

I find it hard to understand why this can be expected to reduce stresses on the chamber. Maybe someone can explain that. Perhaps threading was necessary with their new two-piece chamber.

Think of their press-fit barrel attachment method like a Chinese finger trap, the I.D of the receiver is about 0.001" tighter than the O.D of the barrel shank. Once the barrel is pressed in, the receiver constricts around the barrel shank, firmly gripping it in place. Such constriction cannot come without some sort of stress or distortion to the barrel. When I slugged two different 64 rifles, it was very apparent that the bore diameter loosened off at the end of the receiver, indicating that the press fit compressed the bore diameter. With lead being a dead soft metal that does not rebound once swaged down, such a tight spot in the barrel near the breech can never benefit a rifles accuracy potential. Bill Calfee has commented that he has never been able to get a rifle to shoot with the press fit method, though he recognizes it is possible as obviously some Anschütz rifles are extremely accurate, it just seems to be beyond his abilities to pull off this method successfully to BR standards. A threaded barrel does not have this compressive, distortion effect on the barrel at the breech end.
 
Before getting too wrapped up in how much press-fit may or may not contribute to inaccuracy, shooters should catch their breath. Are there shooters posting here who have said "SOB. If only my Anschutz did not have a press-fit barrel I would be shooting better." The answer is likely a clear "no". A question that ought to be asked is what barrel attachment method do other match rifle manufacturers use -- Bleiker, Walther, FWB for example -- and why.

Again, there's no reason to think the Tikka TX1 will not perform as it should, regardless of how its barrel is attached.
 
Again, there's no reason to think the Tikka TX1 will not perform as it should, regardless of how its barrel is attached.

I'd agree, if it gets the same attention to detail as any Tikka I've ever owned, it'll be a solid shooter.
Since Tikka has made no mention of barrels being interchangeable, I would expect to see either pinned or threaded attachment. Either is fine with me.
 
Interesting that you say the CZ 455 set screws will fail, there have not been any reports of this occurring that I've seen, and it'd probably take a very long time and many uses to occur. It is common knowledge in the CZ circle that the factory tends to over-torque the barrel screws, so it is usually advised to loosen them off then re-torque to 30-35 in-lbs. The factory torque is irrelevant, and at the suggested torque setting the barrel locks up very solidly to the receiver and is repeatable with a quality torque wrench.

You made some excellent points in you post, I just feel that this barrel attachment design for the CZ 455 is flimsy, time will tell if it is successful.
 
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Change of direction of this thread. Since the tikka is interchangeable with an other model I have a question. Where can I buy stocks or parts,example forearm or pistol grip(seen orange in the US)?
 
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so interestingly enough the top of the receiver of the T1X has been milled off and there is a tang like extension forward of the action where the front action screw is located, a move most likely make to keep the action screw spacing the same of the big brother centerfire rifles, now with that said that front tang is creating some sort of a cradle under the barrel, the cradle scares me as it does present an area where either set screws or pins could be located to keep the barrel mounted to the receiver, I hope I am wrong but I've got visions of a lateral through pin in my head today, so pressed and pinned is my best guess now
 
I’m not sure if this has been mentioned in the 20 page thread but what about mags?

I want a T1x to build a PRS trainer. The T1x will drop into any T3/T3x chassis which is fantastic. Now if only a company would build AICS pattern mags that will feed the T1x in a T3/T3x chassis.

Has anyone heard any chatter about this? You wouldn’t think it would be too hard to do. I’ve already contacted MDT and Insite Arms to suggest it.
 
I’m not sure if this has been mentioned in the 20 page thread but what about mags?

I want a T1x to build a PRS trainer. The T1x will drop into any T3/T3x chassis which is fantastic.

Maybe I've missed something too. If the T1x has the same footprint as a T3, how do you (meaning Tikka) fill in the extra space in the mag well normally taken up by a full sized magazine? Is there some sort of filler block attached to the bottom of the action that the rimfire mag slides up into?
My apologies if this has already been covered, I haven't read every post in the thread.
 
Maybe I've missed something too. If the T1x has the same footprint as a T3, how do you (meaning Tikka) fill in the extra space in the mag well normally taken up by a full sized magazine? Is there some sort of filler block attached to the bottom of the action that the rimfire mag slides up into?
My apologies if this has already been covered, I haven't read every post in the thread.

The bottom metal (plastic) is the same size as the standard tikka t3, but is made to fit the rimfire magazine of the t1x.

http://www.tikka.fi/rifles/tikka-t1x/t1x#
 
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