The next obsolete cartridge...

What's Going Down the Tube for Ctgs???

SuperCub said:
I gotta .264Mag that will soon be very hard to get factory ammo for .....................

SC.......................
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That's why you have to get a sh** load of brass & stock up! :p

To the person who said the .260 Rem will be obsolete... Bite Your Tongue!

My vote goes for the SAUM's and the WSSM's...and a lot of the RUM's... ;)
 
boonerbuck said:
Oh brother!:rolleyes:

This cartridge slowly but surely is getting more and more popular. Not rapidly gaining but that's a sure sign that it's going to be around for a long time. Not like many of the flash in the pan cartridges that have been coming out.
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Yeah, The 260 has literally 10 times the rifles chambered in that round than even 5 years ago. I think its on a rise, as factory ammo is becoming more readily available. Even the local Crappy tire has 260 ammo, but no 7-08:D . I allways wanted a 6.5x55 but now want a 260 no hurry though, it wont do too much more than my 25-06, or too much less than my 270:D
 
The 260 remington has definately found it's niche among the metallic silhouette community. I'd say over 50% of the rifles are chambered for it. No one that shoots that much ammo buys factory loads.

The 284 might have been given a small breath of life due to the popularity of the 6.5-284 cartridge among target shooters.
 
Boy's I think it will ultimately be up to the American market place and how and what the gun manufactures target for marketing campains. Obviously the marketing crew Winchester/Browning employs is far superior to that of Remington or Savage or even Stoger with the success of the WSM over the SAUM. Remington introduced the 6.5 this year which I'm sure will fail, although good. Boils down to lack of marketing and support in product and consumables (ammo). The introduction of a user friendly platform to support a new cartridge like the RUM sure would improve overall perception of the product. A 7lb rifle with a sportster barrel and "standard" tupperware stock is not going to make a lot of friends for a 375 RUM or a 7mm RUM for that matter, but produce a rifle platform that incorporates the HS Precision stock, a heavier contour fluted barrel and factory muzzel break and you've got a rifle that won't kick the crap out of the shooter and gets it done down range. Forget trying to supply it in as many price sensative offerings as you can...offer it one that does it right! I'm sure manufactures don't sit back and question whats worse about a new idea over an old standard...but maybe if they did...more of those old standards would be disappearing!:eek: A 270 WSM with muzzel break eliminates the recoil increase over a standard 270 WIN and all the other bonus features could spell the end for the old, but how many manufactures include factory muzzel breaks at normal ($700 range) prices to stimulate the replacement? NOT MANY!!!
 
MadDog said:
Hmmmm...the Savage rounds didn't get mentioned as much as I thought, except dosing who was egging on SC again.
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Actually I was gonna put in your name, but figured you would nuke my post :D

Hey, I'm right though, the rounds cited will not last for ever, except maybe that lameo 30-30. How a round that is the equivalent of a gazelle with 3 broken legs continues to survives simply astounds me :confused:
 
Gatehouse said:
3006 will be the next obsolete cartridge. In many ways it already is, due to new bullets and powders over the last few years.:D
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Actually while 30-06 loads have continued to grow, sales of rifles etc have begun to decline. The US will ensure that round is around for a long time, but it is losing ground to better rounds like the 308. Milsurp has always had a strong factor on cartridges prosperity (like the 303 Brit in Canada). However the 303 began to die that slow death as milsurp started drying up, the 30-06 is at that phase now.
 
Dosing said:
Actually while 30-06 loads have continued to grow, sales of rifles etc have begun to decline. The US will ensure that round is around for a long time, but it is losing ground to better rounds like the 308. Milsurp has always had a strong factor on cartridges prosperity (like the 303 Brit in Canada). However the 303 began to die that slow death as milsurp started drying up, the 30-06 is at that phase now.
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The 303 has always been helped/hampered by the rifles it was chambered for.

Most 303's are SMLE's of course.
Good- cheap, readily available, especially after WWII when people wouldn't plunk down $$$ for a huntng gun

Bad- This is 2005, and peopel have alot more oprions, and more $$:)
 
Dosing said:
Actually while 30-06 loads have continued to grow, sales of rifles etc have begun to decline. The US will ensure that round is around for a long time, but it is losing ground to better rounds like the 308. Milsurp has always had a strong factor on cartridges prosperity (like the 303 Brit in Canada). However the 303 began to die that slow death as milsurp started drying up, the 30-06 is at that phase now.
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Squabbling over calibers that are a few thou bigger or smaller is one thing, comparing the 308 to the 30-06 is like comparing 1% milk to 2%. If it doesn't say it on the package, you couldn't tell the difference by drinking it. You would be pretty hard pressed to come up with some meaningful difference in performance between these two rounds. Unless you call 100-150fps meaningful.
 
In the world of cartridges the 308 and 3006 are V8s. Ar eyou telling me there is no realistic difference between a ford flathead (30-06) and a 427 Rat?
 
I think.. in the realm of cartridge obsoleteness...

We have to look at factory ammo, not handoaders like me and you guys...

If we look at factory ammo, the .308 just about does anything that a 30-06 can do...

.308 does most of what a 30-06 can do with less recoil, 300WSM beats it in velocity, wiht not much more recoil...

But there are so many 30-06 rifles out there, that it won't die, even if it is obsolete.
:cool:

Of course a properly loaded 30-06 is a great cartridge. ;)
 
joe-nwt said:
Squabbling over calibers that are a few thou bigger or smaller is one thing, comparing the 308 to the 30-06 is like comparing 1% milk to 2%. If it doesn't say it on the package, you couldn't tell the difference by drinking it. You would be pretty hard pressed to come up with some meaningful difference in performance between these two rounds. Unless you call 100-150fps meaningful.
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Not a good example. I can taste the difference between 1% and 2% Milk
 
Gatehouse said:
The 303 has always been helped/hampered by the rifles it was chambered for.
Most 303's are SMLE's of course.
Good- cheap, readily available, especially after WWII when people wouldn't plunk down $$$ for a huntng gun
Bad- This is 2005, and peopel have alot more oprions, and more $$:)
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joe-nwt said:
Squabbling over calibers that are a few thou bigger or smaller is one thing, comparing the 308 to the 30-06 is like comparing 1% milk to 2%. If it doesn't say it on the package, you couldn't tell the difference by drinking it. You would be pretty hard pressed to come up with some meaningful difference in performance between these two rounds. Unless you call 100-150fps meaningful.
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Hence the reason why it would be excellent to see the .303 chambered in some new rifles that would exploit it's abilities and it's difficult to understand why this hasn't happened.:confused:
A Winchester 95 or a modern bolt action would be superb.
It's not like it's hard......303 takes the same bolt face as most of the magnum cartridges.
There are 2 reasons the 303 hasn't continued to be chambered in new rifles the way some less important & less flexible cartridges have:

1.It isn't American

And......

2.It isn't American

If in doubt refer to reason one.:rolleyes:
 
Dosing said:
In the world of cartridges the 308 and 3006 are V8s. Ar eyou telling me there is no realistic difference between a ford flathead (30-06) and a 427 Rat?
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Yes, the realistic difference in your example is that one engine has 3 to 4 times the HP than the other, not 3 or 4 % more as in these two cartridges.

But thanks for pulling my chain to get me going in the morning!
 
BIGREDD said:
Here is a good read for ya Kombi....;)

http://www.doingfreedom.com/gen/0702/brifle.html

:p
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I advocate freedom as much as anyone but is the guy totally stupid?!?!:confused:
If we're buying our No4 from a show couldn't we buy more freakin' detatchable mags for it too!!!!:mad:
Or, pray tell, are we holding off the entire "freedom taking force" by ourselves?:eek:
I'll quote Robert Plant once again......"Ooooo, and it makes me wonder"!!:rolleyes: :p
 
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