The next obsolete cartridge...

Who let these freaking Ford guys in :eek:

That's OK. I'll just play with my small block 350s and everything will be all right :)

Mind you years ago a bud and I did a 289 up to stupid horsepower and it was a fun lil screamer :D
 
I stayed with the 2-pce shaft. They work fine if you stay away from slicks. The over-drive band, on the other hand is a POS. It is ~3/4" wide and made of what appears to be rubber. I broke two. There is a kevlar one available. '87-92 did come with forged pistons. Regarding the big port heads, that is to support big boost. Carbs are ok, but the driveability with a serious setup is no good. Same for solid lifter cams. Who needs the hassle? It is too easy to do this and that, and by the time you realize it, the car is no fun for every day use. That is why I prefer a mild setup with boost...lots of torque without the need to rev the piss out of it.

With respect to GM's Ls- engines. I respect them and think they are the way to go. Cleaned up heads plus cam, headers plus the required little bits will put you well over 400hp on an LS1 and around 475 on an LS6. With good fuel economy and driveability to boot!

For the 377 you use Mopar rods don't you?

I also like Cat's view on his truck!

I guess the direction this thread went is why off topic is missed.
 
How about the 220 Swift? Its been just "holding" on for years now. I like that caliber, just needs some good marketing.

All I know is what the guys beind the gun counter tell me. They still sell the usual calibers.
30-06
308 - mostly in semi I'm told
7mm
270
They don't sell many levers, but if they do its 30-30

On an interesting note, one gun counter guy told me that its mostly younger guys that are interested in the new super magnum calibers.

Maybe the big gun makers have it right and they are just ahead of the curve. If you split caliber sales into 2 groups, new magunms, and older calibers (for lack of a better term). Then split the buying marker into two groups, younger generation and older generation. If its true that the younger generation is open to the new magnums, where the older generation generally is not. If your goal is to sell guns, you have to ask yourself. How many more $1000 rifles is the average older generation hunter going to buy? (All gunnutz excluded)
 
On an interesting note, one gun counter guy told me that its mostly younger guys that are interested in the new super magnum calibers.

Maybe the big gun makers have it right and they are just ahead of the curve. If you split caliber sales into 2 groups, new magnums, and older calibers (for lack of a better term). Then split the buying marker into two groups, younger generation and older generation. If its true that the younger generation is open to the new magnums, where the older generation generally is not. If your goal is to sell guns, you have to ask yourself. How many more $1000 rifles is the average older generation hunter going to buy? (All gunnutz excluded)
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I am on both sides of the counter and I can honestly say that it is not the age demographic that determines who buys what. I have found that the WSM's are the hot ticket and mostly the 300WSM right now. It isn't just the young or new shooters buying them... more like the educated shooter. And the trend has been more towards the economy rifle T-3's are cleaning up in the econo-rifle wars... followed closely by the Remington's.
Obsolescence??? I know that out of all the common calibres the 6mm Rem is hardly ever asked for... and the ammo collects dust!:(
 
1899 said:
I stayed with the 2-pce shaft. They work fine if you stay away from slicks. The over-drive band, on the other hand is a POS. It is ~3/4" wide and made of what appears to be rubber. I broke two. There is a kevlar one available. '87-92 did come with forged pistons. Regarding the big port heads, that is to support big boost. Carbs are ok, but the driveability with a serious setup is no good. Same for solid lifter cams. Who needs the hassle? It is too easy to do this and that, and by the time you realize it, the car is no fun for every day use. That is why I prefer a mild setup with boost...lots of torque without the need to rev the piss out of it.

With respect to GM's Ls- engines. I respect them and think they are the way to go. Cleaned up heads plus cam, headers plus the required little bits will put you well over 400hp on an LS1 and around 475 on an LS6. With good fuel economy and driveability to boot!

For the 377 you use Mopar rods don't you?

I also like Cat's view on his truck!

I guess the direction this thread went is why off topic is missed.
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OD bands and clutch packs were allways a problem in the AOD's. And full throttle OD. My buddy had a Supercoupe that could not keep a 2 piece shaft in it. On radials too.
And yes, for the 313, and 377, you use a dodge rod. Fuellie cars work, but can make a carb and solid lifter driveable. Like guns, Tinkering is fun. and 45 minutes every month to set your lash on the solids makes for a fun afternoon. If you used roller rockers on your car, you had to set your lash every once and a while anyways...
Boost is a good thing, but I've allways been a Gas head personally. You can hide a wet kit until U hit it, but cant hide the whine of a blower...:D
I wouldnt use a solid for a daily driver... Been there done that.

yeah, 93-95 we hyper pathetic, and pre 85 HO's were cast. put a hundred shot on a hyperpathetic once, and you were picking your sand piston out of the bottom of the pan:D
BTW, Did you ever try a B303 in your blower car?

And REDD, Hold your tongue:cool:
 
BIGREDD said:
I am on both sides of the counter and I can honestly say that it is not the age demographic that determines who buys what. I have found that the WSM's are the hot ticket and mostly the 300WSM right now. It isn't just the young or new shooters buying them... more like the educated shooter. And the trend has been more towards the economy rifle T-3's are cleaning up in the econo-rifle wars... followed closely by the Remington's.
Obsolescence??? I know that out of all the common calibres the 6mm Rem is hardly ever asked for... and the ammo collects dust!:(
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BIGREDD, I have some rifles but I am more a pistol shooter. What is the price range for a econo rifle?
 
DarrylDB, the whole V8 thing started as a comparison thing(a poor comparison at that!) and it has no purpose now since you guys are arguing about which block you can squeeze an extra half a horsepower out of with no reference to the original topic in any way.
I like cars as much as anyone however BigRedd has a good point.
Start a new "My V8's better than yours" thread if you wish in the Off Topic section cause I'm tired of it too.
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How about the 220 Swift? Its been just "holding" on for years now. I like that caliber, just needs some good marketing.
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But you see, the 22-250 can practically match the 220 Swift or can be loaded down and still do the job as well.
Plus the factory ammo is much easier to come by.
And there are lots more of them.
The 280 Rem has the same problem.
It's competing with the 270 Win, a long established cartridge.
Sure, there's a much bigger bullet choice for the reloader, but since the majority of people don't reload it won't ever even draw close to the 270.
257 Roberts and 6mm Rem also suffer a similar fate.
Cartridges in the same cal perform slightly better or the same and already have a big foothold in the market which they lack.
Plus, like the 7x57, their parent cartridge, which has slowly lost ground, they usually have to be chambered on standard actions rather than short actions that are the vogue these days.
BigRedd's comment about the popularity of the WSMs is a reflection of this.
 
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Actually I was gonna put in your name, but figured you would nuke my post :D

Hey, I'm right though, the rounds cited will not last for ever, except maybe that lameo 30-30. How a round that is the equivalent of a gazelle with 3 broken legs continues to survives simply astounds me :confused:
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sniff.........sniff.............sniff

Anyone else smell a bad case of magnumitis?;)
 
kombi1976 said:
DarrylDB, the whole V8 thing started as a comparison thing(a poor comparison at that!) and it has no purpose now since you guys are arguing about which block you can squeeze an extra half a horsepower out of with no reference to the original topic in any way.
I like cars as much as anyone however BigRedd has a good point.
Start a new "My V8's better than yours" thread if you wish in the Off Topic section cause I'm tired of it too.
BTW, REDD's comments were referring to this.
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I guess the direction this thread went is why off topic is missed.
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BIGREDD said:
Off topic is back.... check the bottom of your page...
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OK, first, no arguement, (you would have noted that if you read it, rather than spouting off) rather a good discussion between 2 gunnutz. Second, Congratulations on becoming a Moderator. What forum was that on again? Right:rolleyes:
If U have a problem with a little sidebar discussion between 2 guys on SBF's on an 11 page thread, too ####ing bad.

So explain to me how its a poor comparison for someone of your obvious vast knowledge on the subject?
Im waiting... Originally, it was completely in context, so Im waiting for your explanation as to whay a bad comparison. Alot of the variables are the same, but different. But obviously you know that...

If you have a problem, dont ####ing read what we're writing. Its pretty simple. 2 guys discussing something different in a current thread. That never happens here...:rolleyes:
Need i provide examples?????????
Very easily overlooked, and read past.

The moderators are doing a pretty good job around here Kombi without any overseas help...
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Three points, Darryl.
I won't be replying further to this thread.

1.I joined this thread because it was a discussion about cartridges, not cars. If I have to understand everything about V8s in order to understand a thread about cartridges then things are coming to a sad turn of affairs.

2.I'm a member of a number of forums, only one of them is Australian & I've always loved the fact that national boundaries had no bearing on those of a like mind, whatever their opinion may be on trivial points.....thanks for ruining it.

3.When you have to make personal insults or swear in order to make your point in a debate you've already lost.
 
ottawaguy said:
BIGREDD, I have some rifles but I am more a pistol shooter. What is the price range for a econo rifle?
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Well I suppose that is a bit of a simplistic statement on my part.
You can find very good quality economic rifles for around 1000.00 and under...Tikka, Savage, Remington.
And you can get very good shooters like the Vanguard and the Stevens for quite a bit less money. Economy is in the eye (wallet) of the beholder!;)
 
BIGREDD said:
Well I suppose that is a bit of a simplistic statement on my part.
You can find very good quality economic rifles for around 1000.00 and under...Tikka, Savage, Remington.
And you can get very good shooters like the Vanguard and the Stevens for quite a bit less money. Economy is in the eye (wallet) of the beholder!;)
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Thats where we differ. To me an econo rifle is my $450 Savage package rifle in 7mm. Its sloppy, its flexes but its shoots really, really well. But thats a little off topic.
All my rifles are in standard calibers, the most exotic I have is 375H&H. The only reason I call it exotic is for the price of the ammo.:(
Although I dont own any and probably wont buy any, I think the new age magnums are here to stay.
 
ottawaguy said:
Thats where we differ. To me an econo rifle is my $450 Savage package rifle in 7mm. Its sloppy, its flexes but its shoots really, really well. But thats a little off topic.
All my rifles are in standard calibers, the most exotic I have is 375H&H. The only reason I call it exotic is for the price of the ammo.:(
Although I dont own any and probably wont buy any, I think the new age magnums are here to stay.
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Actually I don't think we differ at all... just a little in the wording;)
 
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