The OIC has hit milsurps

[CanadianAR]

@CameronSS

I am probably not even on the high end but my one affected gun cost me $24,000 last year. I can’t lose that much money, I’m a regular guy, if they are willing to pay, fine, I don’t get my money’s worth on tax anyways. But besides that, I would have to stash it at a friendly museum on loan I guess.

I’m all got non compliance, BUT non compliance is tougher when the gun is parked in your garage......smaller stuff on future lists, I’ve never owned one. Lol.

 

[bogusiii]

The catch 22 they've set up is that if you don't comply with each and every sucker punch they accuse you of their standard "all gun owners are legal until they're not" BS. That means there is no limit to what they will demand and you must accept in order to stay 'law abiding'.

 

[Cameron SS]

The catch 22 they've set up is that if you don't comply with each and every sucker punch they accuse you of their standard "all gun owners are legal until they're not" BS. That means there is no limit to what they will demand and you must accept in order to stay 'law abiding'.

Also means they wont stop until we are all criminals. So stop playing their game and accept your fate.

I will not comply. Resistance is not futile.

 

[Cameron SS]

@CameronSS

I am probably not even on the high end but my one affected gun cost me $24,000 last year. I can’t lose that much money, I’m a regular guy, if they are willing to pay, fine, I don’t get my money’s worth on tax anyways. But besides that, I would have to stash it at a friendly museum on loan I guess.

I’m all got non compliance, BUT non compliance is tougher when the gun is parked in your garage......smaller stuff on future lists, I’ve never owned one. Lol.

Sorry friend, but you need to be honest and face reality.

That 24,000 was gone the day you bought the gun. You have a gun now and the government will never pay you 24,000 for it.

Surrendering the gun means no gun and no money. Putting the gun in a museum means no gun and no money.

Non compliance means you keep your gun. The government will never come for it, unless you go out of your way to give them a reason. Under the last round of bans almost all of the people who lost their guns were those who were trying to comply with laws that were impossible to comply with.

The three million + gun owners who exercised their rate to remain silent still have their guns, 2 decades later.

Educate yourself on the actual history of gun laws and non compliance, not internet rumour, and you realize any cost benefit analysis shows that non compliance is safer, cheaper, and much much more likely to result in you keeping your firearms.

 

[Cameron SS]

The ban was not by the caliber, but rather by the Joules of energy at the muzzle. That particular 8mm round gives a little over 10,500 joules.
There was a live one listed on a militaria dealers site. It is now relisted as deactivated.

Actually the ban was on firearms with a bore diameter of 20mm, OR 10,000 J E.

Given that this is maximum permitted, anything with a bore over 20mm, is prohibited. Bore measurement is taken from the widest point, and in the case of shotguns, standard practice is to measure with the removable choke removed.

Virtually all shotguns manufactured in the last 50 years with removable chokes, will have a maximum bore diameter in excess of 20 mm. Remington and Mossberg, to name a few. These are all now prohibited according to Ed Burlew, probably the most knowledgeable and experience firearms lawyer in Canada.

A donation to the Conservative Party would be much appreciated. The Liberals WILL take your guns. The Conservatives WILL NOT. A donation of up to $400 gets you a 75% tax deduction.

Donating to the conservatives is a waste of time. THey had their chance. They could have repealed the prohibited class of firearm. They could have repealed the ability to prescribe by OIC. They could have repealed all registration. They could have repealed licensing. THey could have shut down the FRT in its entirety.

Instead they fiddled, and handed all the tools of disarmament back to the liberals. They now have a minority, an ineffective leader, and a weak caucus. They have no alliances with any other party. THey are utterly powerless to do anything. They will not fund any court challenges. They will campaign and try to win on the promise of repeal, just as they did in 2004, and in 2006, and 2008 and 2011, and 2015 and 2019. IN the end, they repealed nothing of significance. Whether they are in power or not, not much changes.

This next round will be fought in the courts, by the gun orgs with the help of lawyers like Mr Burlew. This is to whom your money and support should be going. Because they will always be there, fighting the hard fight with the long game in mind.

 

[stencollector]

Actually the ban was on firearms with a bore diameter of 20mm, OR 10,000 J E.

Perhaps my response was confusing to you. I was responding to the prohibition of a particular 8mm anti tank rifle. My point was that it was not the caliber that applied to this particular gun, but rather the fact that the energy of the round is listed as slightly over 10, 500 joules, which captures that gun as prohibited for exceeding the 10K joules measurement the government decided to use. No doubt the measurement was to try and ban the "proliferation" of 50BMG rifles on the market, and the perception that in hollywood, these will take out an aircraft or a man on the first shot from miles away.
My guess is they did it this way to try and prevent further models of BMG from coming to the market. They tried it the other way back in the 90s with banning the various models of Barret and Mcmililan by name, and that did not work. The likelihood that they have now banned certain shotguns and high powered big game hunting rifles is an unintended consequence of a poorly drafted OIC.

 

[purple]

Are Canada's activist courts any more reliable allies than politicians? Don't expect perfection form the Conservatives; they are politicians too. Take a read of the Conservative Party Platform on this. This should be pursued on both the political and legal tracks. One thing is certain; bellyaching and whining by disgruntled gun owners will get us nowhere. It never worked before.

 

[Sharps '74]

Neither has backing and supporting the CPC.

 

[45ACPKING]

Beyond securing his urban base, Trudeau is also playing to the UN and its firearms agenda. He wants a seat on the UN Security Council and gun control plays big on the UN agenda. The UN is a failed organization which is long overdue for reform. I did 7 UN tours and refuse to wear a blue beret anymore.

Trudeau is a pawn of the UN. Everything he is doing to our country mirrors what was done to Yugoslavia.
The whole agenda is to destabilize or "Balkan-ize" Canada for the UN so that Trudeau can call in the Blue beret's to occupy our country.
Trudeau isn't just lobbying for a security council seat, he is being groomed to become the governor general of the UN.
Our democracy, our very nation is being used , and abused, so that Trudeau can accomplish his task.

Communism is taking over our country right before our very eyes, no declaration of war required.

 

[purple]

Trudeau is a pawn of the UN. Everything he is doing to our country mirrors what was done to Yugoslavia.
The whole agenda is to destabilize or "Balkan-ize" Canada for the UN so that Trudeau can call in the Blue beret's to occupy our country.
Trudeau isn't just lobbying for a security council seat, he is being groomed to become the governor general of the UN.
Our democracy, our very nation is being used , and abused, so that Trudeau can accomplish his task.

Communism is taking over our country right before our very eyes, no declaration of war required.

That's an interesting theory, but it strains credulity. I don't see any gain for Trudeau or the UN to balkanize this country or hand it over to the UN. WTF would the UN do with this country; they`ve never been able to run one before.

I`ve been anti-Trudeau for the last 52 years and I`m no fan of an unreformed UN either. If we want to become enraged with the track things are on we need to blame our fellow citizens for enabling this. Trudeau is just an opportunist who`s exploiting people. There`s a saying that people get the kind of government that they deserve, and that`s where apathy, greed and selfishness have led us.

The economic impact of COVID-19 will be a real wake-up call for this country. The economy is overly service based and reliant on consumer spending, personal debt is out of control and government debt is too high at all levels. Bankruptcies and foreclosures will be rampant and government is no salvation because they can`t tax people for what they no longer have.

 

[CanadianAR]

Sorry friend, but you need to be honest and face reality.

That 24,000 was gone the day you bought the gun. You have a gun now and the government will never pay you 24,000 for it.

Surrendering the gun means no gun and no money. Putting the gun in a museum means no gun and no money.

Non compliance means you keep your gun. The government will never come for it, unless you go out of your way to give them a reason. Under the last round of bans almost all of the people who lost their guns were those who were trying to comply with laws that were impossible to comply with.

The three million + gun owners who exercised their rate to remain silent still have their guns, 2 decades later.

Educate yourself on the actual history of gun laws and non compliance, not internet rumour, and you realize any cost benefit analysis shows that non compliance is safer, cheaper, and much much more likely to result in you keeping your firearms.

No, the money vanished when they announced the OIC. And keeping it forever locked away, not worth it, I bought it to shoot, and secondly as I’d said, its a bit tougher when it takes up a parking spot. Lol. I can’t even open my garage without it being front and centre. So non compliance is great for guys with some small arms....some some stuff just won’t work.

 

[nowarningshot]

It also came at a time when they need to divert attention from their inept response to COVID-19, especially their slavish adherence to the flip-flops from the WHO and the shortage of PPE and COVID-19 testing capacity which are delaying a return to normalcy.

They dont want a return to normalcy, this situation gives them control.

 

[bogusiii]

That's an interesting theory, but it strains credulity. I don't see any gain for Trudeau or the UN to balkanize this country or hand it over to the UN. WTF would the UN do with this country; they`ve never been able to run one before.
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It may not be that he wants to 'balkanize' Canada, it is just happening as a response to his demonizing those who don't fall in line with his one size fits all progressivism. He further picks and chooses who gets showered with largess and who doesn't. The end result is balkanization as these groups unify together in response. That's why it is so disgusting to then see mr. wonderful talk on and on about our shared values and coming together as Canadians.

The UN thing. No, they are not going to move in here and fly the UN flag up the centre block flagpole. But Trudeau will adopt every UN policy he can handing our sovereignty over to them. There are already examples where Canadian laws are curtailed by adopting UN policy in climate, immigration and now firearms.

 

[purple]

It may not be that he wants to 'balkanize' Canada, it is just happening as a response to his demonizing those who don't fall in line with his one size fits all progressivism. He further picks and chooses who gets showered with largess and who doesn't. The end result is balkanization as these groups unify together in response. That's why it is so disgusting to then see mr. wonderful talk on and on about our shared values and coming together as Canadians.

The UN thing. No, they are not going to move in here and fly the UN flag up the centre block flagpole. But Trudeau will adopt every UN policy he can handing our sovereignty over to them. There are already examples where Canadian laws are curtailed by adopting UN policy in climate, immigration and now firearms.

Your second para us correct. Canadians, by and large, will genuflect to anything that comes from the UN. Embracing the UN is always great for hollow virtue signalling and shows our noble internationalist/globalist fervor. Adopting UN policies also makes decision making easier. We're balls deep into their line on climate change, disarmament, indigenous matters, feminism, civilian disarmament and wealth redistribution. Funny, I never saw anybody from the UN on an election ballot.

 

[bogusiii]

Your second para us correct. Canadians, by and large, will genuflect to anything that comes from the UN. Embracing the UN is always great for hollow virtue signalling and shows our noble internationalist/globalist fervor. Adopting UN policies also makes decision making easier. We're balls deep into their line on climate change, disarmament, indigenous matters, feminism, civilian disarmament and wealth redistribution. Funny, I never saw anybody from the UN on an election ballot.

Hey, my first para is too but who's keeping score.

 

[wbaad]

They want to destroy all traces of history. Or at least the history where people fought to be free.

 

[purple]

Hey, my first para is too but who's keeping score.

I agree with that too. Divide and conquer and exploiting minority politics are proven Liberal tactics. Hell, it even works in the firearms community. I knew guys who were eager to line up for the gun registry, and groups like skeet shooters are ready to put military look-alikes on the chopping block as long as nobody bothers them.

 

[bearhunter]

I agree with that too. Divide and conquer and exploiting minority politics are proven Liberal tactics. Hell, it even works in the firearms community. I knew guys who were eager to line up for the gun registry, and groups like skeet shooters are ready to put military look-alikes on the chopping block as long as nobody bothers them.

There are still weenies lamenting the end of the LGR in the firearms community.

They're the reason the Liberals want us to verify every darn PAL, even though they were never intended for that purpose.

 

[Sharps '74]

Simple choices - indicate a willingness to go to jail by the thousands in protest or armed revolution.

Since Canadians lack the balls for the latter, it means the first option is our best bet. That and supporting the law suits of the CCFR and Solomon Friedman on behalf of TENDA.

We've been a long time coming to this point and the Libs have taken advantage of the 'perfect storm' created by the pandemic to bring their long anticipated disarmament program into being. It caught us flat footed and off guard. If an election was held tomorrow, the Libs would win as they can do no wrong in Ontario and Quebec.

A third option - Wexit. Confederation is a long dead dream in any case. Could the west be any more worse off than currently?

What we do (or don't do) in the next couple of years will determine the future of the country in all ways, not just firearms ownership. It's a turning point in our history. How do we want to be remembered by our grandchildren?

 

[MiG25]

These are 8mm. How did they get on the list?

According to the Small Arma Review, the Brits claimed the velocity was 3850 for a 225 grain bullet which would yield over 10,000J, but again according to the Small Arms Review, testing at Aberdeen Proving Grounds yeilded 3540 fps which would be 8500J.