The OIC has hit milsurps

When people rush to the store to buy big trays of hamburger -- at almost 3 times the price it was 2 years ago -- food shortages are NOT very far behind.

And I live in a small town in an agricultural area.

What it's gonna be like in those big, crowded, not-entirely-vegan cities...... I just have no idea.
 
Just like to mention here that the vaunted and ballyhooed Charter of Rights and Freedoms carefully excludes property rights but the CANADIAN BILL OF RIGHTS 1960 DOES protect property. It is still the law in this country, even though the Liberals have been studiously ignoring it for 6 decades now. In fact, the Charter actually VIOLATES the Bill of Rights in several ways, starting with the actual writing of the thing before it was handed to a compliant Liberal Parliament.

In the Preamble to the British North America Act of 1867, mention is made of OTHER Rights which the people of Canada have inherited and still possess. These would include
the Bill of Rights 1689 which specifically includes arms
Magna Charta 1215 in which the King put HIMSELF under the constraints of the LAW.
and likely a few others, some going back as far as King Offa.

Sir William Blackstone was the ultimate authority on the Common Law, which is the actual BASIS of our system. His final 4-volume edition of his Commentaries on the Laws and Institutes of England is STILL in print owing to the fact that the American Constitution is based on the Common Law as it existed in 1765. Blackstone says in the FIRST volume, in discussing the Rights AND DUTIES of Parliament that Parliament has the power to ENLARGE the freedoms of the people but it does NOT have the power to restrict or rescind any of the existing Liberties and Freedoms and that if these are transgressed, they STILL EXIST and may be applied simply by appealing to them.

ANOTHER thing Blackstone mentions is a list of the basic Rights of the citizens, then states that the freedom to possess Arms is the SINGLE UNDERPINNING RIGHT WHICH MAKES ALL OTHER RIGHTS POSSIBLE.

There should be SOME wiggle room in there for a smart lawyer who can actually read and has the guts to be RIGHT.

All true and all ignored by successive governments.

Burlew and other pro-gun rights lawyers could take this on whereas none of us has the legal smarts or resources.

What it would take to challenge this in court would be costly, but I think it is the ONLY solution to our problem, short of armed revolution which we know Canadians do not have the stomach for.

No gun org or any other approach has a snow ball's chance in hell of succeeding. Our track record to date is proof of that.

So maybe instead of protests, and letters, and hand wringing, we should organize a go-fund-me to pay a smart pro-gun lawyer to tie this up in court for a few years?

Not being sarcastic or facetious, I'm genuinely curious about how much support there would be for a court challenge, and whether it's a viable course of action.
 
So maybe instead of protests, and letters, and hand wringing, we should organize a go-fund-me to pay a smart pro-gun lawyer to tie this up in court for a few years?

Not being sarcastic or facetious, I'm genuinely curious about how much support there would be for a court challenge, and whether it's a viable course of action.

Ask Burlew. More productive than b!tching and whining on CGN. I'm in for a retainer donation.
 
Great question! In the near future I'm thinking food shortages, crop seizures by the government, and general social unrest. Remember the Holodomor.

If we slide into a major depression (and it looks like that is a likelihood) you can count on food controls. A government dare not risk social unrest in major cities, their power base of voters.

At this time, it behooves us to hope for the best,plan for the worst. I'm fortunate in that I live rurally, surrounded by ranchers/farmers (food producers) and Crown land. Urbanites are the ones who will be fighting over available food stuffs
 
If we slide into a major depression (and it looks like that is a likelihood) you can count on food controls. A government dare not risk social unrest in major cities, their power base of voters.

At this time, it behooves us to hope for the best,plan for the worst. I'm fortunate in that I live rurally, surrounded by ranchers/farmers (food producers) and Crown land. Urbanites are the ones who will be fighting over available food stuffs
There's a lot to be learned from the behavior of European city dwellers in troubled times. People combed the countryside on foraging expeditions stealing or bartering for food. Cats became "roof rabbits" in the search for protein.:rolleyes:

Im looking at the local quail population in the yard as a reserve of protein. Maybe I'll start "chumming "the lawn deer too.;)
 
The Sock Puppet emerged from the cuckoo clock this am announcing a two minute silence in remembrance of our veterans.

Try not to gag .....
 
There's a lot to be learned from the behavior of European city dwellers in troubled times. People combed the countryside on foraging expeditions stealing or bartering for food. Cats became "roof rabbits" in the search for protein.:rolleyes:

Im looking at the local quail population in the yard as a reserve of protein. Maybe I'll start "chumming "the lawn deer too.;)

The rule around here re: foragers/thieves is "shoot-shovel-shut-up'. It is just understood that is the way of things.

Your friends will help with the calving/kidding, bringing in the hay and fixing the tractor. Your REAL friends will help you hide the bodies.
 
Anyone else notice that this announcement came into effect on International Communism's long time annual Day of Celebration, the 1st. of May?

And henceforth and forever more we should refer to the LPC, Liberal Party of Canada, as the PLPC, the Peoplekind's Liberal Party of Canada.

This is a ####ing tragedy. I won’t one of the most expensive on the list. They can blow me though, short of paying me every last cent, I won’t give it up. I’ll grandfather it or id rather donate to a museum as a FU

You would give your firearm if they paid you every last cent for it, with your own money taxed from you by force, or taxed from your decendants and their inheritants?

You won't give it up, except if you give it up to a museum where it can be neutered and put in a glass coffin where it will never be shot again, where it can act as a scarecrow to anyone considering buying interesting firearms in the future.

The only appropriate FU to the government is to keep your gun. No matter what. Until such time that you no longer wish to own it, free from government interference.

I didn't see the Tavor listed. Did I miss it? Yes, I know it's not a milsurp.

What about the Garand?

There hasn't been a mass shooting committed with the Tavor in Canada, so he doesn't get any votes for banning it.
Alternatively, maybe Trudeau doesn't consider palestinians as people, and therefore the Tavor wasn't designed to kill the greatest number of people in the shortest period of time possible.

As for the garand, there are lots of M1s on the list, and the designation is irrespective of chambering.

The garand predates the M14, and so shouldn't be considered a variant of the M14, but it wouldn't be the first time that the spineless coward drones at the SFSS deemed parent firearm to be a descendant of a child.

What about Mas36/51 or Yugo SKS's? Do those fall under the 20mm ban due to the addition of the grenade launchers? I'm not sure if I'm reading it right.

Do you want them to be prohibited? Would you do something differently if they were?

If you have a grenade launcher mounted to the side of a rifle, the launcher is prohibited while the rifle is not.

"The legislation has been directly linked in multiple threads."

Yep, comments about just turning AR-15 lowers the last few weeks and bingo now uppers have to be turned in also. Coincidence I think not!

Uppers do not need to be turned in. There is an amnesty. Further, uppers are not registered, never have been.

The prohibition of uppers is an admission that the liberal idiots who wrote this law don't even know existing laws, or the technical features of a firearm.

It is also a legally expedient way of correcting what should have been the case all along. The upper is a part of the whole receiver. Logically, the definition of a receiver should have included uppers and lowers together. After all, it is the upper which holds the barrel, it is the upper from which the shot is fired, and it is the upper which contains the BCG and gas system which makes auto loading possible.

The lower simple makes the feeding of ammunition and activation of the firing pin convenient.

But in truth, the receiver should never have been considered important at all, because at the end of the day, to fire a bullet, which is the part that actually hurts people, all you really need is the barrel and a hammer.

Is the grenade attachment on the list for the NO 1 enfield? I didn't see it but may have been looking at the wrong numbers/description.

Wouldn't matter if it was or not. If it is a standalone firearm, with a bore diameter greater than 20mm, it is prohib. The list is just a non-exclusive list of examples.

SAM’s (Surface to Air Missiles) are on the list for ####s sakes.

Which probably don't even meet the definition of firearm. HOwever, the inclusion of these 'firearms' can be used in legal arguments to show the arbitraryness of the law.

The Rate of fire of a MILAN anti-tank missile system is clearly not designed to kill a great number of people quickly. It is designed to destroy a tank with a typical crew of three to five people from long range with a rate of fire measured in the single digit rounds per minute.

M1A is the civilian version of the M14... still sh*tty though

Which M1A are you talking about.

The M1A garand is very much a rifle designed for military use. The M14 replaced it. The current production run of Springfield M1A are used by both civilians and the US military.

So maybe instead of protests, and letters, and hand wringing, we should organize a go-fund-me to pay a smart pro-gun lawyer to tie this up in court for a few years?

Not being sarcastic or facetious, I'm genuinely curious about how much support there would be for a court challenge, and whether it's a viable course of action.

Be careful of go fund mes. A lot of them are scams. The big four gun orgs are already launching court challenges, with or without your help. But they need your help. It is a very viable course of action as there are some fairly grave technical and substantive issues with these bans. But they need your help.

This morning I checked to make sure all my gun org memberships were up to date, and made additional donations.

If every affected owner donated the cost of a case of ammo, our gun orgs would have a legal fund of more than 80,000,000.

Given the range closures, most of us have been saving money on ammo anyways.

Ask Burlew. More productive than b!tching and whining on CGN. I'm in for a retainer donation.

I am certain he would already have been engaged by the gun orgs.
 
This morning I checked to make sure all my gun org memberships were up to date, and made additional donations.

If every affected owner donated the cost of a case of ammo, our gun orgs would have a legal fund of more than 80,000,000.

Given the range closures, most of us have been saving money on ammo anyways.



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This news has been BRUTAL for everyone, including us milsurp collectors.

Sorry for everyone who had some epic collectibles prohibited.

All this and nothing done to actually prevent crime. As usual, it's the law-abiding gun owner who pays the bill of the criminals who smuggle illegal guns.

Perhaps being in the milsurp forum this reminds me of when Justin told a wounded veteran strait to his face that this real soldier was "asking more than he can give". Let's fast forward to 2020, they couldn't properly support our nations relatively small community of veterans who put their lives on the line, yet we can spend what seems like endless billions on just about everything else including buying back things like WWII cannons or guns that have never in Canadian history been used in crimes. Pretty messed up.

As already mentioned in this thread by several others, let's not give them new ways to use us law abiding gun owners as the scapegoat next time they fail to prevent criminal activity and illegal gun smuggling.

Regards,
Steve
 
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This news has been BRUTAL for everyone, including us milsurp collectors.

Sorry for everyone who had some epic collectibles prohibited.

All this and nothing done to actually prevent crime. As usual, it's the law-abiding gun owner who pays the bill of the criminals who smuggle illegal guns.

Perhaps being in the milsurp forum this reminds me of when Justin told a wounded veteran strait to his face that this real soldier was "asking more than he can give". Let's fast forward to 2020, they couldn't properly support our nations relatively small community of veterans who put their lives on the line, yet we can spend what seems like endless billions on just about everything else including buying back things like WWII cannons or guns that have never in Canadian history been used in crimes. Pretty messed up.

As already mentioned in this thread by several others, let's not give them new ways to use us law abiding gun owners as the scapegoat next time they fail to prevent criminal activity and illegal gun smuggling.

Regards,
Steve

Steve, if you're suggesting that law abiding gun owners had anything to do with this, please stop. That's victimhood and you're playing into their narrative. We are not part of the problem.

Trudeau's moves are Liberal ideology and politics in action; full stop. Our best response is direct political action, and the best hope is to support the Conservative Party by purchasing a membership, donating, volunteering to work in the next election and voting.

The Conservatives are less than perfect, but they're the best hope we have. Let's stop being suckered by fringe movements like the PPC which cost the Conservatives 8 seats by siphoning away votes in the last election.:rey2
 
Steve, if you're suggesting that law abiding gun owners had anything to do with this, please stop. That's victimhood and you're playing into their narrative. We are not part of the problem.

Trudeau's moves are Liberal ideology and politics in action; full stop. Our best response is direct political action, and the best hope is to support the Conservative Party by purchasing a membership, donating, volunteering to work in the next election and voting.

The Conservatives are less than perfect, but they're the best hope we have. Let's stop being suckered by fringe movements like the PPC which cost the Conservatives 8 seats by siphoning away votes in the last election.:rey2

I think you may have misread my post, in NO WAY did I say this had anything to do with us. This ban was a result of illegal guns and criminals who were not legal firearms owners, no responsible legal gun owner on this site should feel at fault. Unfortunately, we are just the ones who pay the price while the real criminals see no change. What I am saying is that giving them ideas of what to ban next isn't going to be of any benefit to anyone here, so let's not make a huge stink about why item X isn't on the list, because before you know it, it probably will be.
 
I think you may have misread my post, in NO WAY did I say this had anything to do with us. This ban was a result of illegal guns and criminals who were not legal firearms owners, no responsible legal gun owner on this site should feel at fault. Unfortunately, we are just the ones who pay the price while the real criminals see no change. What I am saying is that giving them ideas of what to ban next isn't going to be of any benefit to anyone here, so let's not make a huge stink about why item X isn't on the list, because before you know it, it probably will be.

OK, we're on net on this.
 
Let's not lose sight of the fact that EVERYTHING Hitler did regarding "gun control" was in accordance with the law of the land at the time.

Both Hitler and Trudeau wrote their laws on the fly to suit the current agenda and narrative.

They knew that the law-abiding German population would comply, fearful of (a) retaliation and (b) killing the goose that laid the golden egg.

As long as JT is handing out the goodies and continuing to hold the country hostage, he is in total control.

Only massive, total, COMPLETE non-compliance will get and keep his attention, IF (and it's a BIG IF) we can get ALL gun owners to take a stand.

There are not enough police or resources to jail ALL of the people who take such a stand.

We either have the guts to do this or we lose everything near and dear to us that we have treasured for generations.

Riel was right! JT said so by exonerating him as a champion of his people to the point of armed revolution.
 
So our counter move is a declaration of non-compliance (NOT a petition) SIGNED by every licenced gun owner and their supporters, stating our willingness to go to jail.

That forces the issue. There are not enough LEOs and resources to jail everyone. Calling in the army will (at least it should) trigger a civil war.

When you consider the number of health issues amongst older gun owners, requiring treatment and medications, it becomes a major humanitarian nightmare. Deaths and/or severe health issues will result.

DRASTIC direct action is called for that does NOT include playing with pie-in-the-sky promises by the CPC to rescind any or all of our gun laws.

You KNOW what would happen in many places in the world, including the USA, if any of this dictatorial bull sh!t was being pulled on the most vetted segment of society.
 
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