The reality of the new Magnums!

For me I don't think its about the purchase of a new magnum rifle/cartridge thats troubling. It's the company that advertises as something new when in reality it was invented by some wildcat'er decades before. That said the good part about that is now the cartridge is commercially available. Now back to the troubling part: The other part of the problem (as stated before) is that the new guy, (without the aid of experience), some how thinks he can shoot better with less practice with that particular rifle, if he buys into the company hype.
 
I dont need a supermagnum to take down the game I hunt.

Why go for something that costs more when factory ammo will kill them just as dead?
 
My problem with these new mags is not the mags themselves, it's how the companies tell us that they are so much better than the ones we already use, when they are really not. Sure they are somewhat better designed, somewhat more efficient, and produce somewhat less recoil, blah blah blah, but not by THAT much that it will revolutionalize my hunting experience. :rolleyes:

The fact of the matter is that if the WSMs, SAUMs, RUMs had been the first kids on the block, we would be having the same arguement about the advent of the new belted mags.

People have been arguing about how the 30/30 is better than the 32 SPECIAL and the like for years. Why should we be any different and not debate, falling victim to BIGREDD's trolling. :p
 
the_big_mike said:
I dont need a supermagnum to take down the game I hunt.

Why go for something that costs more when factory ammo will kill them just as dead?
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I handload so I don't worry about the cost.
I also have never listened to what facttories say about anything, seeing's how theey are selling the stuff, be it rifles, trucks, hammers, or fishing gear.
I cut my own trail, and always have since I was a kid....
Cat
 
lots of new cartriges are exactly that new. it adds intrest. the fact the do nothing more than the older cartriges is irrelevent. i like some of the older and not so popular and some of the new mags. we need new to keep up the interest. kinda like all the interest in the 7 08 latley. not new but rediscovered.
 
catnthehatt said:
I handload so I don't worry about the cost.
I also have never listened to what facttories say about anything, seeing's how theey are selling the stuff, be it rifles, trucks, hammers, or fishing gear.
I cut my own trail, and always have since I was a kid....
Cat
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If your falling into this magnum crap you definately are not cutting your own trail.
 
Gatehouse said:
Blah Blah Blah...

A deer or elk or moose can be killed by many cartridges, both new and old.

For some reason, a segment of the hunitng community has decided that new cartridges are BAD and that anyone who buys one is a victim of marketing hype, period.

NEWSFLASH:

it is just a CARTRIDGE. it makes bullets go fast!

I am not an idiot, I know what a 300WM can do, and what a 30-06 and 300WSM can do. Why? because I have owned and hanloaded for all of them. If your basic requirement is an affordable cartridge that is easy to use to kill out to 350 yards, then buy a 30-06.

If you want somehtin different, that does not make you a victim of marketing hype, it just means you want somethign different. it really doesn't matter if most of your shots are at 100 yards, where a 30-30 woudl wrk fine. Use what *YOU* like..

People that get worked up and pissed off about new cartridges just look foolish. I dont care if you use your trusty thurty odd six, so why do you care if somene wants to use a different cartridge?
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I'm disappointed that Gatehouse is not taking this thread seriously. (Tounge-in-cheek!) Look at how much time and energy fellow Gun Nuts are putting into reading and responding to this thread. Reading threads of this type gives one a bit of an insight into other peoples thoughts and opinions on various subjects. Writers often classify themselves by what they write. I gategorize them as "knowlegeable" or "opinionated". The former is good as valid resons are offered. The latter may be good but no reasons are given for the opinions offered.

I read these threads for knowledge and entertainment. It beats watching the drivel on television.
 
the_big_mike said:
If your falling into this magnum crap you definately are not cutting your own trail.
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And here we have the heart of the matter...:rolleyes:

The Anti New Crowd believes that by choosing a New Cartridge, you have somehow been hoodwinked by a slick marketing company. Which is utter BS.

Most people that choose a new cartridge are doing it because thye find it interesting, they are not foolish enough to think that a different cartridge will transform them into super hunters.
 
Gatehouse said:
Most people that choose a new cartridge are doing it because thye find it interesting, they are not foolish enough to think that a different cartridge will transform them into super hunters.
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Bingo!

If truth be known anyone hunting anywhere in Canada could shoot anything - at ranges which surpass the abilities of 90% of hunters - with nothing more than a 30-06 or 7x57.

All the new cartridges, rifle models etc keep the interest up in our hunting and shooting lifestyle. How that could be a "bad" thing is something I fail to understand.
 
I beg to differ, I meet morons every day (present company being the exception). Just driving to work I must pass, swerve, & generally cuss at, at least a half dozen of these individuals every day. And no its not just because I live Edmonton. The odds are in my favour that some of these guys are gun owners too, lol. And everone who hunts knows someone who takes their rifle out of the cabinet a week before the season opens, goes to the range, leans on the bench fires three or four times and figures that they are a crackshot. Now they don't always own magnums, but these are the guys who will buy into the advertising hype.
 
DANCESWITHEMPTIES said:
And everone who hunts knows someone who takes their rifle out of the cabinet a week before the season opens, goes to the range, leans on the bench fires three or four times and figures that they are a crackshot. Now they don't always own magnums, but these are the guys who will buy into the advertising hype.
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all the guys like that I see are using 30-06's 270's 308's and 303's, wiht a couple of "old Magnums" like 300WM and 7Rm thrown in.:)
 
the_big_mike said:
If your falling into this magnum crap you definately are not cutting your own trail.
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And what "crap" would that be?
I take offense to the fact that you figure you know what I do , how much experience I have , and what I shoot.
I shoot a 300WSM in 14 lb. long range target rifle,
Hardly a "super magnum" , but designed to do exactly what it does.
I could have used a 300Win Mag for my long range rifle, but wanted to mess with the WSM.
The 6.5's I shoot are accurate, period.
That is what I was looking for, but could have got it in several different calibers if I chose to .
I also shoot 308's, .223's, and a mess of black powder calibers.
The only "magnum" hunting rifle I own, BTW is a 12lb. 6.5WSM which doubles as a 1K plinker as well.
It is NOT something a person would want to drag around on his back however.

I like to wildcat as I said, and
if wildcatting is "falling into crap' then so many of our favorite cartridges these days would never be spawned.
tThe 308 and its caliber variants for example, as well as all the variants based on the '06 case, the 25/06 and 35 Whelen for example.
Same with the , 22/250, the 30, 6.5, 25, and 6 X284's, as well as the zillion wilodcats based off the .222 and .223.
I know exactly what I want when I put together a rifle and cartridge combination , and how to get it.
I'm not new to this gig, and as I said before, not influenced by advertizing and such.


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BIGREDD said:
So what do you say "magnum haters"... do you feel threatened by the Super Magnums because they are new or different from your puny little non magnum?
Do you feel the urge to criticize others because their rifle will hit harder at 300 yards than yours does at the muzzle?
There has to be some way for you to blame all of your percieved problems in the sport on those hunters using magnums.:p

ANYTHING YOU CAN DO, I CAN DO BETTER ...I CAN DO ANYTHING BETTER THAN YOU ! :dancingbanana:
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BIGREDD said:
As long as it is a Short Mag.... it is without a doubt the best hunting caliber period. If your buddy don't have one... well it sucks to be him.
I'm serious....
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I miss the days when the mods banned trolls. :rolleyes:

I know you're not supposed to feed the trolls, but ignoring them doesn;t seem to get rid of them, so maybe if we keep feeding them we'll get lucky and they'll choke?
 
Much of our psyche is based on our perception of tradition. Improvements in cartridges has been slow, but continues. At the turn of the 20th century we in North America already had the .30-30 and the .30-40, then developments brought about the .30-03, the .30-06, the .300 Savage, and the .300 H&H. The .308, and the .300 Winchester came about in the middle of the century, along with a batch of similar belted .30 caliber magnum rounds. Now the .300 WSM is the new kid on the block. Each step has been small, and at times it has been difficult to see much advantage at all. Yet a huge ballistic advantage can be seen between the .30-30 and the .300 WSM. Old timers raised on .30-30's didn't flock to the .30-06 until they used it in the service, and those raised on the .30-06 probably won't acknowledge the advantage of the .300 WSM. Fifty years from now, will the old timers raised on the .300 WSM embrace the new cartridge that day has to offer? Probably not. As a group, we hunters are comfortable with tradition.
 
I don't know... I've seen several newbes at the range trying out thier new super magnums over the years. They always get confused when they switch from the 100m to the 500m gongs and can't figure out how come they are missing. I try to tell them that they have to come up on the target but they say thier new super mag shoots flat and they just have to zero at 100m and they are good to at least 500m. :rolleyes: And sometimes they just get scared to shoot anymore to due to the magnum recoil :runaway:
 
HeadDamage said:
I don't know... I've seen several newbes at the range trying out thier new super magnums over the years. They always get confused when they switch from the 100m to the 500m gongs and can't figure out how come they are missing. I try to tell them that they have to come up on the target but they say thier new super mag shoots flat and they just have to zero at 100m and they are good to at least 500m. :rolleyes: And sometimes they just get scared to shoot anymore to due to the magnum recoil :runaway:
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Yeah, this sort of thing is CLEARLY the fault of the cartridge! Ban magnums!:p
 
Amphibious said:
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I miss the days when the mods banned trolls. :rolleyes:

I know you're not supposed to feed the trolls, but ignoring them doesn;t seem to get rid of them, so maybe if we keep feeding them we'll get lucky and they'll choke?
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Maybe one of these days the above troll will post something interesting or have an opinion other than a feeble attempt at personal attacks and ####ing up a good thread.:rolleyes:

I will say it again... add something of substance or start your own thread.... if you have enough imagination which I seriously doubt.:p

You are seriously jealous buddy... very sad.:(
 
Magnums have their place. But, given the limitations of where I currently hunt. I don't need one.
If I were to go back to where I used to hunt, yes, i probably would invest in a magnum. But it is unlikely to be one of the new fangled hot rods. The plain jane 338WM would do everything I need.
 
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