The SEALS pick the Glock 19. (merged)
- Thread starter Big Bad
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nope, not a chance
Glock has to be the most successful handgun design of all time. I wonder why Norinco doesn't make them?
Why would you want a low quality(no quality) ripoff of the original??
Local
Je ne comprends pas. So is Glock going to be making a retro series of M 19s, or is Naval Ordinance going to be searching US gun shows for used Gen 3s ?
mudgunner49
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Ever wonder why there is a paucity of "serious" organizations that have adopted the XD (like, none so far as I know)????
Cost I am sure has something to do with it. Glock can afford to drop their pants on pricing to government. They make fine stuff, but you're question merely asks the same question as I already have, so really why not? Don't they shoot straight, cant operate in water, or any other comparisons? I'd like to get some Canadian views on it. If there is nothing concrete so be it, I don't sell Springfield. There are however many glock owners who have said the xdm stuff good and sometimes they have said better. Just looking for some honest to goodness rationale is all. Otherwise, I can let the question die, too bad. Guess all those Springfield engineers don't know what they are doing. ;-0
Punisher-One
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Selecting a pistol for a large department, service, agency, or organization is often far more complicated than "good, reliable, shoots straight". There are a ton of pistols that are good, reliable, and shoot straight. Can all those companies:
- Provide a good volume pricing model?
- Provide training to department/agency armourers?
- Provide a training package on transitioning to the new firearm?
- Provide ongoing high-volume service on contract?
- Provide ongoing troubleshooting?
- Provide ongoing orders of spare parts and pieces in high volume?
- Offer a trade-in or buy back to the current department/agency issued firearm?
- build a gun that doesn't need the grip safety activated to run the slide?
- build a gun which doesn't have a failure mode that turns the grip safety into a dead man switch?
- build a gun which doesn't have a failure mode that turns the grip safety into a dead man switch?
Good itemized list Punisher-One, all very much needed no doubt. I get that, I am sure a former large supplier to the military could handle all these, maybe not anymore per say, but I am sure Springfield as a corporation could get their ducks in a row. I would guess they probably couldn't go as low as a glock, i have seen some forums say government contracts for glocks can cost under 200 dollars a piece. That's nearly 80% off list or more in some variations. Sounds like the jewelry or technology industry.
Now, the grip safety notes is another thing, also a good point, different operating details create different issues to contend with. Are these issues you feel are important highlighted as weaknesses by others namely in LEO or the Military? The 1911s have grip safeties after all?
I have no problem with grip safeties that don't lock up the gun when they fail.
But that's been a problem with the XD for ages and yes, it's definitely part of why nobody will touch it.
But that's been a problem with the XD for ages and yes, it's definitely part of why nobody will touch it.
I see, ok, wasn't aware of this being a hard fact. You said when they fail. Do they always fail and is it something that can be reproduced? Are there any statistics of failure rates? When i first asked the question i wasn't expecting something like this, and would like to know if my xdm could be prone to this fact or stat and take the necessary steps to rectify. Thanks for the heads up, i will do some of my own googlification as well.
Sorry wanted to add a link to support some other opinion than my own not to sway anyone herein, just to show that i did not just ask a stupid question. It doesn't matter what this writer in the link says about his choice, thats an opinion, but there are several things that might be of interest about the XD at least.
http://www.thebangswitch.com/glock-vs-springfield-xd-a-personal-decision/
are there any other caveats? Personally i am not convinced the grip safety is big enough a detail to make the decision at the very least an obvious one.
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They don't always fail and you could well go the rest of your life without seeing it happen. If your grip never gets compromised by injury or fatigue, or you don't need to do goofy manipulations to cope with absurd shooting conditions you'll probably have no issues.
If you don't funnel a thousand rounds a month through the gun for the next few years, then give the gun to someone else who'll do the same thing, and this process gets repeated until even a 226 starts to wear out, again, you're probably going to be fine.
The special operations pistols will get subjected to all that and more, and that's why I don't recommend fixating on what guns they're using.
If you don't funnel a thousand rounds a month through the gun for the next few years, then give the gun to someone else who'll do the same thing, and this process gets repeated until even a 226 starts to wear out, again, you're probably going to be fine.
The special operations pistols will get subjected to all that and more, and that's why I don't recommend fixating on what guns they're using.
Got that thanks.
I didn't start this thread though. Just wondering. Hypothetically could and XD or XDM be chosen, there are numerous torture tests on them both, so if it came down to limitless monies, all the support and service the manufacturer could offer was there could an operator like an XD/XDM enough to say they would take one? Other military's have them, the XD was a combat gun design after all to compete with glock and many prefer the grip angle on the XD/XDM. If there isn't any more of an issue other than the grip safety, I am surprised Springfield hasn't removed it yet or at least offered another model without one... just makes me think is all. I don't disagree that if in combat or other emergency and the safety compromises the use of the gun that does indeed suck, but surely there are infinitely more possibilities equally devastating to every firearm and situation. I don't want to be biased about it, don't think i am, will own a glock no doubt one day anyways.
In general they have not held up well in agency testing. Very few organizations have adopted them and those that have are not...people I would look to for firearms advice.
