The search for the elusive .22 bulk bughole
- Thread starter BwanaDave
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07blackwater
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- Port Coquitlam, BC
Do these dies increase the coal much?
Well, I made it out to the range both saturday and Sunday this weekend. The new xt -22 is working out really well and the more I shoot it the better it gets it seems, I had a few issues with it failing to extract a fired round the odd time initially but a good scrubbing of the chamber with something more aggresive than hoppe's and a small tweak to the extractor with a pair of pliers fixed that right up. Its shooting some decent groups at 50 yards and it seems to be a bargain at 200.00
I did some shooting with the cz's and marlin and compared targets with unaltered and altered ammo again both days. I would say that group size is conservatively 20-25 % smaller with altered blazer in both of the cz's and altered win 333 in the marlin consistently with an almost complete eradication of fliers within the groups.
None of my rifles do well with federal bulk, American eagle or winchester wildcat. They all seem to prefer win 333/555 and CCI Blazer with the dark grey bullet (speer manufacture not federal)
and so far the best groups consistently were shot with the DRock tool and the dished hollowpoint semi wadcutter style bullet in the cz's with the Waltz EPS tip a close second.
I have done some testing at 100 yards with a few 5 shot groups hovering around an inch or just over ,many more between 1.25 to 1.75 inches with the altered stuff, I havent run any unaltered stuff at 100 yet as Im convinced after 2 bricks of ammo down range that the bump die altered stuff is just more accurate in my rifles. Im using a 3x9 scope with no parralax adjustment on the cz's , an old K4 weaver on the marlin and am not some type of benchrest wizard either.
So to summarize , mission accomplished and I now know what works best in each rifle and I have better cheap bulk ammo for bustin bunnies and ditch chickens with.
I did some shooting with the cz's and marlin and compared targets with unaltered and altered ammo again both days. I would say that group size is conservatively 20-25 % smaller with altered blazer in both of the cz's and altered win 333 in the marlin consistently with an almost complete eradication of fliers within the groups.
None of my rifles do well with federal bulk, American eagle or winchester wildcat. They all seem to prefer win 333/555 and CCI Blazer with the dark grey bullet (speer manufacture not federal)
and so far the best groups consistently were shot with the DRock tool and the dished hollowpoint semi wadcutter style bullet in the cz's with the Waltz EPS tip a close second.
I have done some testing at 100 yards with a few 5 shot groups hovering around an inch or just over ,many more between 1.25 to 1.75 inches with the altered stuff, I havent run any unaltered stuff at 100 yet as Im convinced after 2 bricks of ammo down range that the bump die altered stuff is just more accurate in my rifles. Im using a 3x9 scope with no parralax adjustment on the cz's , an old K4 weaver on the marlin and am not some type of benchrest wizard either.
So to summarize , mission accomplished and I now know what works best in each rifle and I have better cheap bulk ammo for bustin bunnies and ditch chickens with.
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I have the Paco Kelly tool and it does the same sort of thing with the 3 tools it is supplied with, a lot less science in it seemingly but the results can be very good. It too makes a humdinger of a hollow point that makes a big splat of a noise when it bumps into a gopher. FS
My Waltz die arrived a few weeks ago but only recently has the weather cooperated for target shooting.
Preliminary results indicate that it does indeed improve the consistency and accuracy of bulk ammo. So far, I've only experimented with Winchester 555 bulk pack ammo through my (wife's) Marlin 795. It sports a 3-9x Simmons target scope with side focus. I shot 24 five shot groups testing 12 different settings including 5 control groups at 50 yards.
Compared to the control groups, (which resulted in an average five shot group size of 1.3") three different settings resulted in consistent groups of 0.8". That's an improvement of 0.5".
The three settings were:
- 0.5 turns from contact using the "eley dimple" tip
- 1 full turn from contact with the hollow point tip
- 2 full turns from contact with the hollow point tip
Other settings resulted in much worse groups as big as 1.6". Clearly there's a sweet spot that must be found.
I'll post pics of targets and whatever further results I get as I get them. So far, I'm happy with the purchase and can, so far anyway, recommend this product.
Preliminary results indicate that it does indeed improve the consistency and accuracy of bulk ammo. So far, I've only experimented with Winchester 555 bulk pack ammo through my (wife's) Marlin 795. It sports a 3-9x Simmons target scope with side focus. I shot 24 five shot groups testing 12 different settings including 5 control groups at 50 yards.
Compared to the control groups, (which resulted in an average five shot group size of 1.3") three different settings resulted in consistent groups of 0.8". That's an improvement of 0.5".
The three settings were:
- 0.5 turns from contact using the "eley dimple" tip
- 1 full turn from contact with the hollow point tip
- 2 full turns from contact with the hollow point tip
Other settings resulted in much worse groups as big as 1.6". Clearly there's a sweet spot that must be found.
I'll post pics of targets and whatever further results I get as I get them. So far, I'm happy with the purchase and can, so far anyway, recommend this product.
