The Shotgun In Modern Combat - Drone Defense
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The shotgun in military use may be replaced by some kind of box mag fed semiautomatic grenade launcher, like the Colt and Northrup Grumman developed 25mm Precision Grenade Launcher, which is supposed to have an anti drone capacity via proximity fused airburst rounds, and also a buckshot round for close quarters.
https://www.twz.com/land/futuristic...throp-grumman-seen-being-fired-for-first-time
https://www.twz.com/land/futuristic...throp-grumman-seen-being-fired-for-first-time
Want! Where do I get these?
You don't and they are so expensive they wouldn't even say how expensive they are. Those things won't be seen on open market for at least a decade.
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I hear you, and they should ALL go to front line Ukrainians in any event, but a mag or two of these rounds is something to strive for. Just incredible. The whole squad could tear as s on a drone coming in with a mag swap.
Single shot. You had better not miss.
We are limited to DIY variations of the same idea. I saw two variations - shot inside heat shrink tube and shot inside 3d printed "shell". Both options seem to working for AK47 and 74.
In Ukraine there's a volunteering organization "Printing Army" where anyone with 3d printer can help Armed Forces by printing whatever is needed. Here's video of their "3d printed shell" solution for 7.62 and 5.45 ammo:
And here's heat shrink option, unfortunately only IG video, no translation.
Recipe:
Ingredients for 5.56 and 5.45 respectively:
1. 5.56 / 5.45 cartridges;
2. Radpol heat shrink tube 4.8 / 4.0;
3. Shot with a diameter of 4.75; 5.0 / 4.5;
4. Pliers;
5. Heat gun;
6. Stationery knife;
7. Crimping;
8. Weapons
Preparation method:
- We equip the heat shrink with shot (five pieces for caliber 5.56 at the rate of two 4.75, one 5.0, two 4.75. For caliber 5.45 everything is simpler, you need to equip the tube with seven shots of the same diameter - 4.5);
- We warm up the equipped tube with a heat gun;
- We cut the finished "bullet";
- We disassemble the standard cartridge;
- We replace the standard bullet with our "bullet",
- Load into mag;
- "Dry-run" or "fit-run" - as I understand the purpose is to both test and make "bullets" settle in the casings. Rack the gun to cycle through all rounds in the mag
- Done.
Recipe:
Ingredients for 5.56 and 5.45 respectively:
1. 5.56 / 5.45 cartridges;
2. Radpol heat shrink tube 4.8 / 4.0;
3. Shot with a diameter of 4.75; 5.0 / 4.5;
4. Pliers;
5. Heat gun;
6. Stationery knife;
7. Crimping;
8. Weapons
Preparation method:- We equip the heat shrink with shot (five pieces for caliber 5.56 at the rate of two 4.75, one 5.0, two 4.75. For caliber 5.45 everything is simpler, you need to equip the tube with seven shots of the same diameter - 4.5);
- We warm up the equipped tube with a heat gun;
- We cut the finished "bullet";
- We disassemble the standard cartridge;
- We replace the standard bullet with our "bullet",
- Load into mag;
- "Dry-run" or "fit-run" - as I understand the purpose is to both test and make "bullets" settle in the casings. Rack the gun to cycle through all rounds in the mag
- Done.
I've watched both of his vids and they are quite interesting but they haven't tackled the actual reality of an FPV drone attack.
An FPV drone MUST come straight at you to hit you. It is that last phase where a drone will make the easiest target. No lead required.
If you watch drone attack footage from Ukraine, the ones targeting individual troops often move quite slowly and loiter about before the final plunge into the target. A shotgunner would have no trouble taking out such a drone. Yes, there are videos showing a drone zoom straight into the target but once again, that straight line to the target makes hitting the thing with a shotgun pretty easy.
Have seen SxS for a while, here some invaders use it. Shotgunner misses the drone approaching in a straight line. At the end shotgunner is screaming he is wounded and the driver doing the same and gets confirmation his eye just leaked out.
^^^Yea. It's all fine and well to hypothesize, but real world is different. Let's assume that you are a trap master, 25/25 everytime (drones are coming at you rather than the clay away, but trajectory is similar). Now try that off the back of a quad, in 3rd gear, down a mud trail. Good luck, 'cause in the real world, 24/25 means you're dead.
I'm reminded of German WW1 Luftwaffe guys who somehow gerryrigged 8 or more C96 Mausers together on one trigger mechanism in order for them to put a field of fire down on an opposing aeroplane. I don't know how successful these contraptions were, but if one C96 Mauser in 9mm is bad, I can imagine 8 or 10 of them going off at once is worse on the receiving end.
To deal with drones, I think something similar is required. Rather than some Ivan with a double barrel goose gun, why not a bank of auto shotguns, magazines extended, and placed to pattern for full coverage of say a 10 or 20 yards square. It's old fighter pilot tech by now, whereby the gun is linked to the pilots visor. If Igor can see the drone, with the press of a button can unleash a wall of lead in between himself and his attacker.
To be effective, it would need to be a device rather than just guys rattling off at it, as it's bearing down on them with bad intentions.
I'm reminded of German WW1 Luftwaffe guys who somehow gerryrigged 8 or more C96 Mausers together on one trigger mechanism in order for them to put a field of fire down on an opposing aeroplane. I don't know how successful these contraptions were, but if one C96 Mauser in 9mm is bad, I can imagine 8 or 10 of them going off at once is worse on the receiving end.
To deal with drones, I think something similar is required. Rather than some Ivan with a double barrel goose gun, why not a bank of auto shotguns, magazines extended, and placed to pattern for full coverage of say a 10 or 20 yards square. It's old fighter pilot tech by now, whereby the gun is linked to the pilots visor. If Igor can see the drone, with the press of a button can unleash a wall of lead in between himself and his attacker.
To be effective, it would need to be a device rather than just guys rattling off at it, as it's bearing down on them with bad intentions.
A belt fed 10ga would be my choice ...
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You can't write off a tactic based upon it not working for barely educated and barely trained Russian troops.
Western soldiers, properly trained, would have much higher success rates. Hell, put out the call for goose and duck hunters and I bet they'd turn it into a competition.
There's propaganda footage all over facebook showing Ukranian drones taking out Russians, and what you say has a lot of truth to it. When watching the footage, all I thought was "where's their war fighters?" 'These guys are all middle aged, vodka soaked, potato ponch'd, receding hairline dudes in their 40's." .You can't write off a tactic based upon it not working for barely educated and barely trained Russian troops.
Western soldiers, properly trained, would have much higher success rates. Hell, put out the call for goose and duck hunters and I bet they'd turn it into a competition.
The footage is kinda horrific. Most of the guys are hiding as the drone hunts them down...nothing they could do really.
Exactly. Lots of it is horrifying as the Russians seem resigned to their fate or totally feckless in the face of a hovering drone. All I can imagine is the wounds must be terrible. It be like being hit with a grenade.
