The SIG Sauer P320 Has Never Been Good

I don't carry any of my P320s, let alone carry them with a round in the chamber. I transport my P320s to the range trigger-locked and unloaded, in a locked, opaque case IAW the Canadian Firearms Act. I load them at the firing line, with the muzzle pointed down-range and unload them there when done firing. I clear my firearms before trigger-locking them and locking them in their case for the trip home.

Never had an unintentional discharge, and if I did I can almost guarantee that the muzzle would be pointed downrange in a safe direction. So given the safe-use circumstances, why wouldn't I continue to use and enjoy my SIG P320 pistols and PCCs?

Until somebody can show me a better mousetrap than the Flux Raider, the P320 will remain one of my favourites in its tarted-up form!
 
Bartok5 said:
I don't carry any of my P320s, let alone carry them with a round in the chamber. I transport my P320s to the range trigger-locked and unloaded, in a locked, opaque case IAW the Canadian Firearms Act. I load them at the firing line, with the muzzle pointed down-range and unload them there when done firing. I clear my firearms before trigger-locking them and locking them in their case for the trip home.

Never had an unintentional discharge, and if I did I can almost guarantee that the muzzle would be pointed downrange in a safe direction. So given the safe-use circumstances, why wouldn't I continue to use and enjoy my SIG P320 pistols and PCCs?

Until somebody can show me a better mousetrap than the Flux Raider, the P320 will remain one of my favourites in its tarted-up form!
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Sure, but this discussion has been mostly about the P320 unintentionally discharging in stressful combat-style situations, supposedly the very things it was designed for.
 
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Big Bad said:
Sure, but this discussion has been mostly about the P320 unintentionally discharging in stressful combat-style situations, supposedly the very things it was designed for.
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Right. My POINT being that very, very few of us recreational shooters on CGN have ever"duty carried" a P320. So the entire "conversation" is rather academic, no? Near as I can determine, the P320 was designed for safe recreational shooting just as much as it was for "stressful combat situations". Handled properly in the former context, the P320 has performed just as "safely" as any other pistol in my stable....

I am not saying that the P320 is entirely without issue. The ability of the internals to move during rough handling is problematic and needs to be addressed. But handled properly (eg. safely) during recreational shooting there is nothing whatsoever to be concerned about. This business of people with P320s being afraid to use them for recreational shooting is ludicrous, and a complete over-reaction to the occasional problem associated with rough handling while loaded.
 
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Bartok5 said:
Right. My POINT being that very, very few of us recreational shooters on CGN have ever"duty carried" a P320. So the entire "conversation" is rather academic, no? Near as I can determine, the P320 was designed for safe recreational shooting just as much as it was for "stressful combat situations". Handled properly in the former context, the P320 has performed just as "safely" as any other pistol in my stable.....
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Although I get the general point you're trying to make, many people holster the P320 for both concealed carry (US) and gaming. Also, there is no way the P320 was designed "just as much" for recreational shooting. The P320 specifically targeted government contract sales.
 
ffolkes said:
Are we pretending that these followup events are not actually occurring, just to make you feel better?
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except that most of the issues you're pointing to always come from the most undertrained groups,how much time do you think law enforcement spends on pistol training,LOL..not a lot,,neither does the military,if a soldier has to pull his sidearm in battle,,it's a very very sad day,and a negligent discharge is probably the last of his worries,LOL.
 
Yet as of today,
  • over 100 departments and academies have banned the 320,
  • the US Marine corp has had enough document cases of this happening to be staging an intervention
  • you've just been provided with the memo of a large police department that has followed individual serial numbered firearms through their repeated physically observed malfunctions
  • Greyguns, one of the largest Sig customizers, along with now dozens of independent gunsmiths on youtube can now show you how to set up the failure repeatedly and on demand
Nope, it's user error. So, why aren't Glocks, S&W and Berettas handled by these same "undertrained groups" going off as well?
 
ffolkes said:
Yet as of today,
  • over 100 departments and academies have banned the 320,
  • the US Marine corp has had enough document cases of this happening to be staging an intervention
  • you've just been provided with the memo of a large police department that has followed individual serial numbered firearms through their repeated physically observed malfunctions
  • Greyguns, one of the largest Sig customizers, along with now dozens of independent gunsmiths on youtube can now show you how to set up the failure repeatedly and on demand
Nope, it's user error. So, why aren't Glocks, S&W and Berettas handled by these same "undertrained groups" going off as well?
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again,,you're quoting from the most undertrained groups around,LOL...i can force a disscharge on anything is you give me time to look at the thing,LOL..
FACT IS,,,there are thousands of 320's in CAPABLE HANDS that have had ZERO issues,i have 1000's of rounds through my 320's..NEVER had a single issue,ane even we could carry around here,i sure would not carry a plastic pistol.LOL..
but you keep on going with your little conspiracy theories, LOL..there's also 9/11 was an inside job,or even better the US never landed on the moon,LOL..
 
Why bother ffolkes? Clearly he's a super-duper fanboy. The loyalty is so blinding to people like Wiskey1 that they can't even fathom something being wrong. He hasn't had any problems, so no one can have any problems! LMAO! But, but, but......he has thousands of rounds through the world's smallest sample size! LMAO! Very scientific! LMAO! (A few extra LMAO's! since Wiskey1 likes to laugh so much. He's a jolly guy that Wiskey1)

Is there something actually wrong with the P320? I don't know, but if people like Ben Stoeger are willing to listen (and I doubt anyone here has more training/experience than him) then I'm willing to listen and consider the possibility.
 
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Why bother ffolkes? Clearly he's a super-duper fanboy. The loyalty is so blinding to people like Wiskey1 that they can't even fathom something being wrong. He hasn't had any problems, so no one can have any problems! LMAO! But, but, but......he has thousands of rounds through the world's smallest sample size! LMAO! Very scientific! LMAO! (A few extra LMAO's! since Wiskey1 likes to laugh so much. He's a jolly guy that Wiskey1)

Is there something actually wrong with the P320? I don't know, but if people like Ben Stoeger are willing to listen (and I doubt anyone here has more training/experience than him) then I'm willing to listen and consider the possibility.
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so you're 12 obviously,,more people have died or got hurt in Ford F150's per capita than P320..would you say the F150 is a public safety,pretty sure the truck is safe,it's the OPERATOR that was the problem,and who is Stoeger sponsored by again,,oh.that's right,a Sig Competitor..no bias there at all. LOL LOL.
 
ffolkes said:
  • Greyguns, one of the largest Sig customizers, along with now dozens of independent gunsmiths on youtube can now show you how to set up the failure repeatedly and on demand
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Grayguns (Bruce Gray). Looks like the test scenario involves using a wrong part (different caliber takedown safety lever) and a damaged (or missing) striker lock. I agree that "failure repeatedly and on demand" sounds more exciting than "improbable combination". But which is closer to the truth?
 
joemanco said:
Grayguns (Bruce Gray). Looks like the test scenario involves using a wrong part (different caliber takedown safety lever) and a damaged (or missing) striker lock. I agree that "failure repeatedly and on demand" sounds more exciting than "improbable combination". But which is closer to the truth?
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I recommend some of the videos by Wyoming Gun Project on how it might be the shape of the rear leg on the new sear design, and how it interfaces with the other components that may be at least some of the problem.

 
ffolkes said:
I recommend some of the videos by Wyoming Gun Project on how it might be the shape of the rear leg on the new sear design, and how it interfaces with the other components that may be at least some of the problem.

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dont think that has anything to do with whats happening. adds to the amount of force the sear takes to disengage due to needing to work against the trigger spring too.

the guns going off are a result of several failures including the crap striker block.....
 
I think the central thesis is that there actually is a particular alignment of events, whether its the new sear shape, or the variations of MIM manufacturing tolerances among parts made in other countries on Sigs behalf, or intermingling of pieces meant for other calibers but winding up in the 9mm 320s that might have been happening at Sig's factory floor level early on in manufacturing. When these things align, however it happens, this particular design does "just go off".

One could also just blame the the 100% pre tension of the firing pin spring at that point in the process too, with the real problem being our acceptance of carrying pre cocked firearms.
 
How things have changed. Ancient users may remember how the miracle new S&W Model 59, a semi auto that was supposed to revolutionize law enforcement weapons carry in about the year 1980, was instantly discredited when it was found it might discharge when dropped from a one metre height onto a concrete surface. Never did, but might.
 
I wonder how many of them would be happy sitting behind someone with a p320 in a nice old Galco horizontal shoulder holster aimed at their head all day? If it was some old crappy SW 38 revolver or even a Hi-point you'd sit there all day and never think about it.

You'd be counting the seconds if it was a 320, and you all know it.
 
ffolkes said:
I recommend some of the videos by Wyoming Gun Project on how it might be the shape of the rear leg on the new sear design, and how it interfaces with the other components that may be at least some of the problem.

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Ah you know my previous reply about how this doesn't have anything to do with what's happening.... well I'm sure in some cases it doesn't.... but it might not be totally unfounded in others. This is another video of explaining what some think might be going on, along the same lines. Removal of that projection would however remove any sear blocking capability of the manual safty equipped units in my opinion.

 
ffolkes said:
For anyone still counting, you can now add the Denver and Chicago police departments, as well as the US Secret Service, to the list of p320 is banned club.
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ah yes,more reddit folklore,LOL...2 libtard democreep undertrained police departement,and the Secret Service has NOt banned the 320..but hey,,if the great source on reddit told you,it must be true,LOL...you have such a hard on for this great pistol. sucks you'll never be able to own one,
 
Yeah, the US Justice department, a place well known for its "folklore". You really are weird, man. And its 112 of them democreep departments now.
 
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