The Templar Thread, 5.56 by Crusader Arms / Spectre LTD

Update, at 500 rounds with my Templar. Had a failer to extract which leaded to a bolt lockup (when I shut the bolt in attempt to sling out the round.) I ended up hitting the charging handle with a hammer, got the round out. Continued to shoot 200 more rounds with 0issues. Gun is still performing great.
@500 rounds with 5 malfunctions.
 
Update, at 500 rounds with my Templar. Had a failer to extract which leaded to a bolt lockup (when I shut the bolt in attempt to sling out the round.) I ended up hitting the charging handle with a hammer, got the round out. Continued to shoot 200 more rounds with 0issues. Gun is still performing great.
@500 rounds with 5 malfunctions.

So... as can probably be deduced from my posting in this thread, I do like this platform - I'm generally a fan... but 5 failures in 500 rounds is not great performance, I don't think. I'd feel really uncomfortable with my firearm if I had a stoppage on average every 100 rounds.

I've had 2 FTFs (simple failure to feed "stoppages" which were cleared easily by cycling the action) in 1450 rounds. 1/725 = 0.14% failure rate. 5/500 = 1% failure rate. One of the stoppages was while using a Cross Industries magazine ("cross mag") and one was with a Gen 3 PMAG. The Hera H3 and CPD Duramags have had zero stoppages.

The common terms used are "mean rounds between failure" (MRBF) and/or "mean rounds between stoppages" (MRBS) - they mean different things - a "stoppage" is any kind of failure to cycle or fire that can be cleared relatively easily, whereas a "failure" requires more intensive measures. Apologies if you know these terms already - but they're useful to define in case anyone reading this isn't aware.

As a comparison, the US Army requirement in 1990 for the M4 was 600 rounds between stoppages. In 2013, that expectation was increased to around 1,700 rounds with improved internals on the M4A1 and better ammunition. As another example on the other end of the reliability spectrum, the early model SA80 (which became the L85) was notorious for stoppages, and had a MRBS of 95. Another benchmark might be the threshold requirements for the SCAR's development was 2000 MRBS and 15,000 MRBF. The manufacturer of the ARX-180, Beretta, claims 15,000 MRBS (!) for the ARX-180.

I know we can't expect military grade reliability with a civilian rifle, but we should expect much more than 100 MRBS for any semi-automatic rifle, I think. Me, I'm "satisfied" with the 725 MRBS I'm getting so far with my Crusader Sentinel (Gen 1 Templar equivalent), but I'm not "happy" about it.

Are you tracking which ammo and which magazines you were using when you had your stoppages?
 
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I am a definite fan of the move away from that horrible, self-disassembling, thumb-actuated Bolt Catch on the Gen 1 Templar. The conventional AR15 Bolt Catch is a massive improvement in my mind, as is the now-hidden Right-side steel Upper Receiver Reinforcing Plate.

One thing that would make the new Gen 2 setup better is a Magpul Bolt Actuation Device (BAD) Lever. My question for someone with both a Gen 2 Templar and a BAD Lever is whether the Lever will work with the Templar's Lower Receiver dimensions? If so, that would be terrific news and a huge improvement for Right-handed shooters.
 
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So... as can probably be deduced from my posting in this thread, I do like this platform - I'm generally a fan... but 5 failures in 500 rounds is not great performance, I don't think. I'd feel really uncomfortable with my firearm if I had a stoppage on average every 100 rounds.

I've had 2 FTFs (simple failure to feed "stoppages" which were cleared easily by cycling the action) in 1450 rounds. 1/725 = 0.14% failure rate. 5/500 = 1% failure rate. One of the stoppages was while using a Cross Industries magazine ("cross mag") and one was with a Gen 3 PMAG. The Hera H3 and CPD Duramags have had zero stoppages.

The common terms used are "mean rounds between failure" (MRBF) and/or "mean rounds between stoppages" (MRBS) - they mean different things - a "stoppage" is any kind of failure to cycle or fire that can be cleared relatively easily, whereas a "failure" requires more intensive measures. Apologies if you know these terms already - but they're useful to define in case anyone reading this isn't aware.

As a comparison, the US Army requirement in 1990 for the M4 was 600 rounds between stoppages. In 2013, that expectation was increased to around 1,700 rounds with improved internals on the M4A1 and better ammunition. As another example on the other end of the reliability spectrum, the early model SA80 (which became the L85) was notorious for stoppages, and had a MRBS of 95. Another benchmark might be the threshold requirements for the SCAR's development was 2000 MRBS and 15,000 MRBF. The manufacturer of the ARX-180, Beretta, claims 15,000 MRBS (!) for the ARX-180.

I know we can't expect military grade reliability with a civilian rifle, but we should expect much more than 100 MRBS for any semi-automatic rifle, I think. Me, I'm "satisfied" with the 725 MRBS I'm getting so far with my Crusader Sentinel (Gen 1 Templar equivalent), but I'm not "happy" about it.

Are you tracking which ammo and which magazines you were using when you had your stoppages?


I so agree with you. I’m not 100% confident in the rifle. My hopes are that the stoppages will get better as the gun breaks in. To be honest I am already seeing it shoot smoother with a better ejection pattern as I’m putting more rounds through it.
And yes I’ve pretty well only shot PMC xtac greentips 62g
 
I moved on to a NR Bren 2 a few months ago, just sold my Gen1 templar. While my wallet hurts, the Bren is just a completely different class of firearm. Everything seems well thought out, well made, and I've had zero issues with it. A big difference between a large company that has decades of firearms design and manufacturing experience compared to a small, relatively new manufacturer.

I ended up selling it after a warranty trip to Specter. It was bulging cases badly, and they stated I had an out of spec chamber. Seems a little odd since it made it 1200+ rounds before that happened... but who knows. CA/Specter put a new barrel on it before it was returned. I only fired it a few times to confirm functionality and that it was no longer bulging cases. I hope it treats the new owner well. Other than some loose fasteners and the weird case bulging issue, it's a decent firearm. Heavy for sure. I think the gen 2 looks promising, but overall this company has so much work to do improving the product and their customer experience.
 
I moved on to a NR Bren 2 a few months ago, just sold my Gen1 templar. While my wallet hurts, the Bren is just a completely different class of firearm. Everything seems well thought out, well made, and I've had zero issues with it. A big difference between a large company that has decades of firearms design and manufacturing experience compared to a small, relatively new manufacturer.

I ended up selling it after a warranty trip to Specter. It was bulging cases badly, and they stated I had an out of spec chamber. Seems a little odd since it made it 1200+ rounds before that happened... but who knows. CA/Specter put a new barrel on it before it was returned. I only fired it a few times to confirm functionality and that it was no longer bulging cases. I hope it treats the new owner well. Other than some loose fasteners and the weird case bulging issue, it's a decent firearm. Heavy for sure. I think the gen 2 looks promising, but overall this company has so much work to do improving the product and their customer experience.

I also bought a restricted Bren 2 Ms 11" barrel in 7.62x39 but am keeping my Sentinel/Templar Gen 1 upper for 5.56x45 shooting. I enjoy the Bren 2 Ms a lot, but I still like my CA gun for what it is.

I agree that the Bren 2 (and the APC 556 and the X95 etc.) is in a different tier of quality. Hopefully people who buy cheaper Canadian AR180s have learned that they won't get CZ/B&T/IWI levels of QA/QC. I knew that going in, and accepted both the reality and the possibility of warranty/RMA processes.
 
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Well... crap. Something to look out for, Gen 2 owners...

https://new.reddit.com/r/canadaguns/comments/1cbooee/what_in_the_hell_someone_please_explain_this/

Still happy I have my Gen 1 upper.

Anyone want to put a caliper on the thickness of their Gen 2 upper in the area around the bolt hold-open paddle?

Just checked mine out too. It’s thin. But that’s not the upper reciver. It almost is just a cover between the bolt and the paddle. The actual upper reciver is at least 3 mil think about 1/8” that’s little space behind the paddle which is usually untouched is thin though.
 
Ipdate, 900 rounds, 6 malfunctions.
4 stove pipes (which have stopped since 300-400 round count, and 2 failures to eject which lead to a double feed.) ordered the bcm upgrade extractor spring and claw kit. Going to try that out see what happenes.
 
What is everybodies method on cleaning the gas system and area of the barrel on the monolethic uppers? Also wondering if any fours painted their rifles? How did you protect the gas area
 
What is everybodies method on cleaning the gas system and area of the barrel on the monolethic uppers? Also wondering if any fours painted their rifles? How did you protect the gas area

Contrary to AR15, the gas system dosen't get that dirty. Just pull the plug, clean the piston, clean the piston chamber, reassemble, and you're good to go.
 
I just brought it to victory ridge and had them do it. They basically just put the rifle in a vise with rubber insets and cloth and muscled it off. I was worried the reciver could bend but after I looked over the whole rifle and it seems fine. It wasn’t easy to come off
 
I just brought it to victory ridge and had them do it. They basically just put the rifle in a vise with rubber insets and cloth and muscled it off. I was worried the reciver could bend but after I looked over the whole rifle and it seems fine. It wasn’t easy to come off

Yeah, I've heard that the original A2 flash hider is really hard to remove from at least two other users. Going to leave mine on unless I've got a really good reason to replace it.

In CA's original spec sheets the barrel is listed as being threaded at 1/2"-28 - is that correct?
 
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