The World's Most Reliable Handgun

I was gonna guess at five in your case but then realized you were shoting IDPA.:D:D:D I'm practicing for next summer Jim, is it one beer or two?

Take Care

Bob
ps Tell Mike unless I get my shoulder fixed he has no chance of getting a strong hand only stage approved.:D

It's 2 beers Bob. LOL.
I now know how to beat you clean, Bob, just have a "Strong Hand only" string in one of the Stages. LOL
 
It's 2 beers Bob. LOL.
I now know how to beat you clean, Bob, just have a "Strong Hand only" string in one of the Stages. LOL

You are a cruel man.:D

I have decided rather than use an empty milk jug filled with various levels of water to exercise my arm - a suggestion bclineman gave me - I'll stick to lifting Molson's . My method will be to start with a full one and progressively reduce the volume of each bottle. Should work don't you think. It may be painfull at first but after a few bottles I won't care!

See you in the summer.

Take Care

Bob
 
I have to call BS to that statement TDC. If you said you have seen revolvers not function flawlessly such a statement would be believeable as would a similar statement being made regarding pistols....but "none". Get Real!

As to your Model 10, I suggest to let the Queen breath and get it fixed. That particular model is a favourite of PPC shooters and they seem to get through their matches quite well, so too ICORE shooters.

There is no question that pistols have proven to be more reliable than revolvers for certain applications for some of the reasons you have posted on this thread and others. I would mention this was one of the motivators behind the US Army seeking out a different firearm back around the turn of the 19th Century. That said, at the time they were dealing with historical Black Powder issues and the fouling that went with them that are a non-issue today.

If you want to see for, apparently the first time, a revolver complete three cylinder firings without failures go to youtube and call up a video featuring Jerry Miculek shooting an IDPA or USPSA match. He seems to do quite well with his revolver shooting times that often beat pistol shooters, shooting at the same Classification level as he is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIiykrH0seQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rOkSipERug

There you now have seen 18 rounds min. shot with a revolver without failure.

Try this with your trusty Glock

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLk1v5bSFPw


Take Care

Bob

You can call BS all you like, I was there and I saw all revolvers fail. Most often it was a stuck case upon ejection, something an auto doesn't have issues with.

The videos of Miculek are old news. He's very good, he's also paid to do so and practices his reloads 4 hours a day, or so the rumor goes. There is no way your average shooter will ever possess the same skill level as Miculek without dedicating the same amount of time. In fact, you admitted that you struggle to get your reloads down to 3 seconds. Now you no doubt are an experienced shooter and even your time of 3 seconds to reload is a far far cry from 12 rounds in 3 seconds with a reload.

As for my model 10. Why would or should I get it serviced? I thought revolvers were superior to autos, more reliable. Shouldn't it continue to work forever without fail? Personally I could really care less about it. I paid next to nothing for it and shoot it for giggles, as a constant reminder of how poor a wheel gun is for anything other than historical shooting disciplines.

Sorry TDC, but you are incorrect yet again. I've shot 7 matches with my GP100 this year, without any failures. Several long stages that required 24 rounds, you can do the math on how many reloads that took.

My point is, a well maintained revolver will perform as advertized.

24 rounds in a single go. That's impressive. Tell me, how many rounds have you fired either in one sitting or without cleaning without a failure? I doubt its anywhere near 1000 rounds.

Then you don`t attend very many matches...All the matches I have attended, the revolvers have performed almost flawlessly, with the occasional (and expected) breakdown due improper maintenance/bad reloads/poor gunsmithing....I always see more semi-auto`s malfunctioning than revolvers....Good grief, I have fired blackpowder in my revolvers and they last much longer than "2-3" cylinders.....As for separate classes/division at competitions...Are you serious?..I mean truly, are you serious??....Revolvers hold less rounds than auto`s (in case you have not noticed), and revolvers are generally slower to reload....That`s like asking why are there different classes/divisions for semi-auto`s?(Stock, custom etc..)...Why isn`t there just a semi-auto class, and leave it at that?....If you have seen revolvers at matches always jamming after a few cylinders, then it`s because people are trying to do their gunsmithing and have buggered up the internals, or bad reloading.....Of course, try saying all this stuff to a person like Jerry Miculek...You would be laughed off the range....


You're partially correct. I only attend three gun matches so my observations of those who shoot IDPA or IPSC is rather limited. That being said, my observations still stand. I have yet to see a revolver not choke at least once during a match. You mention that the failures I've observed could be associated to poor gunsmithing. Why would someone need to have a revolver worked on? I thought they were uber reliable. The bad reloads I can understand when it comes to high primers. Bad reloads in an auto are no less of an issue.

Your response to separate divisions/classes for revolvers is spot on. Revolvers don't stand a chance against an auto. So if they must be segregated from the autos in competition, how could anyone honestly believe they're more reliable or "just as capable" as an auto? More to the point, if revolver fans are so adamant the revolver is just as capable as an auto, why aren't they fighting to compete with them?? I suspect deep down, revolver fans are well aware of the performance gap that keeps revolvers from the fore front of service and competition.

TDC
 
Same reason Single stack guns are getting their own division in IPSC most likely, so people can shoot like against like.
Your obvious total and complete failure to understand the worth of a revolver in a gunfight or tactically is stunning. For one so well educated and trained in art of the handgun to not know, well it leaves me at a loss for words.
 
Same reason Single stack guns are getting their own division in IPSC most likely, so people can shoot like against like.
Your obvious total and complete failure to understand the worth of a revolver in a gunfight or tactically is stunning. For one so well educated and trained in art of the handgun to not know, well it leaves me at a loss for words.

So the revolver is good for competition against like guns. What about for those serving who are confined to the same rules?? I thought revolvers were equals to autos?

TDC
 
You can call BS all you like, I was there and I saw all revolvers fail. Most often it was a stuck case upon ejection, something an auto doesn't have issues with.

OK BS

The videos of Miculek are old news. He's very good, he's also paid to do so and practices his reloads 4 hours a day, or so the rumor goes. There is no way your average shooter will ever possess the same skill level as Miculek without dedicating the same amount of time. In fact, you admitted that you struggle to get your reloads down to 3 seconds.

You said you never saw a revolver go through three reloads without jamming or failing well the videos clearly show him going through three reloads without a jam. Now you have.

Now you no doubt are an experienced shooter and even your time of 3 seconds to reload is a far far cry from 12 rounds in 3 seconds with a reload.

No kidding, pretty inept with a revolver though. Note: posted to get into JimS head.;)

As for my model 10. Why would or should I get it serviced? I thought revolvers were superior to autos, more reliable. Shouldn't it continue to work forever without fail? Personally I could really care less about it. I paid next to nothing for it and shoot it for giggles, as a constant reminder of how poor a wheel gun is for anything other than historical shooting disciplines.

You have never heard me say revolvers are more reliable or superior over pistols. Each has an application. As far as your own revolver is concerned the best reason to get it repaired is that it appears to require service ie its broken.

24 rounds in a single go. That's impressive. Tell me, how many rounds have you fired either in one sitting or without cleaning without a failure? I doubt its anywhere near 1000 rounds.

The only reason why my GP-100 won't go 1K without failure between cleanings as I have no intention of not cleaning my gun after each range session. I have watched two videos on youtube of Glocks failing to complete 1000 rds without FTF issues and one actually melted so please spare us the 1K torture test nonsense. $10. says my GP-100 won't melt nor will it jam if I limp wrist it which is more than you can say about your Glock.

You're partially correct. I only attend three gun matches so my observations of those who shoot IDPA or IPSC is rather limited. That being said, my observations still stand. I have yet to see a revolver not choke at least once during a match. You mention that the failures I've observed could be associated to poor gunsmithing. Why would someone need to have a revolver worked on? I thought they were uber reliable. The bad reloads I can understand when it comes to high primers. Bad reloads in an auto are no less of an issue.

Your response to separate divisions/classes for revolvers is spot on. Revolvers don't stand a chance against an auto. So if they must be segregated from the autos in competition, how could anyone honestly believe they're more reliable or "just as capable" as an auto? More to the point, if revolver fans are so adamant the revolver is just as capable as an auto, why aren't they fighting to compete with them?? I suspect deep down, revolver fans are well aware of the performance gap that keeps revolvers from the fore front of service and competition.

So what is your point? Wanna compare splashes? You can have your 9MM Glock and I'll take my 44 mag revolver and we will see who can make the biggest splash when we both hit a 4 litre milk jog filled with water. Whichever gun makes the biggest splash is the best gun or are you going to suggest that your Glock isn't at it's best making splashes.:eek:
TDC

Take Care

Bob
 
...You mention that the failures I've observed could be associated to poor gunsmithing. Why would someone need to have a revolver worked on? I thought they were uber reliable....
Good Grief man, again, are you serious??....People work on revolvers the way they work on their semi-auto`s....Different springs to smooth the trigger, lighter, crisper pull etc....The same happens for semi-auto`s, but also FOR RELIABILITY....Polishing the feed ramp, lowering/scalloping the ejection port to eliminate FTE, watching for damaged magazine lips/springs, watch the bullet profile, so it doesn`t hangup on the feed ramp, beveling the magazine well, improving the ejector claw etc....Please re-read what I said...
Your response to separate divisions/classes for revolvers is spot on. Revolvers don't stand a chance against an auto. So if they must be segregated from the autos in competition, how could anyone honestly believe they're more reliable or "just as capable" as an auto? ...TDC
Again, Good Grief :rolleyes:.....Revolvers are segregated from semi-auto`s because they are slower to reload and hold less rounds....Separate divisions have nothing to do with reliability...And you didn`t answer my question about semi-auto`s having their own classifications, like stock, enhanced and custom...It`s clear that you don`t shoot revolvers much (or at all), or you would not be making all these crazy assertions....
As for my model 10. Why would or should I get it serviced? I thought revolvers were superior to autos, more reliable. Shouldn't it continue to work forever without fail?
I really, truly do not know what planet you are from when you make comments like that....EVERY mechanical device will break down over time, and you have admitted how very old your model 10 is...Are you going to tell me, and the other people here, that a semi-auto that is 50-60-80 years old and has never been maintained, will always work, flawlessly, when the trigger is pulled??.....You really need to up your medication....
 
If going on reliability and not looks then I would say Ruger P89. I have never heard of one jamming and the only reason they don't get included on a lot of lists is because of there bulk.

I have put 3000 rounds through mine all sorts of different rounds, different assortment of rounds in the magazine at same time, rapid fire, clean, dirty, people never shooting a handgun and limp wristing it and not one hiccup. I have put it up against any of my buddies handguns and impressed all of them. The only thing you need to change to turn it from a good handgun to a great handgun is the grips. Hogue grips and your good to go.
 
If going on reliability and not looks then I would say Ruger P89. I have never heard of one jamming and the only reason they don't get included on a lot of lists is because of there bulk.

I have put 3000 rounds through mine all sorts of different rounds, different assortment of rounds in the magazine at same time, rapid fire, clean, dirty, people never shooting a handgun and limp wristing it and not one hiccup. I have put it up against any of my buddies handguns and impressed all of them. The only thing you need to change to turn it from a good handgun to a great handgun is the grips. Hogue grips and your good to go.

Finally! Another P89 believer. Love my P89s for the same reasons above and it is freakin' accurate. Same goes for its cousin the P90.
 
Finally! Another P89 believer. Love my P89s for the same reasons above and it is freakin' accurate. Same goes for its cousin the P90.

My buddy thought he was gunna shoot circles around me with his new MP Smith that he just got. I will give it does have nice features with the palm swells and the light weight but at the end of the day when I outshot the daylights out of him he was a believer in the metal handguns over tupperware. But those new M&P's are not bad guns at all.

Its one of those handguns you are not afraid to use and get a couple scratches on it (even though mine is still almost mint) its a gun you will use all the time and never want to get rid of. Its the buck knife of handguns. It may not have the blade like a spyderco but its always there when you need it and ready to work hard.
 
I'll go with the Glock. But i believe the .40 and the 10mms are not for the

limp of wrist. The Rugers are rarely mentioned and i am not famaliar with

them however if they perform as the Mk2 Bull and the 10/22 i'm sure they are

accurate and flawless. A note on Brutus posts about the 9mm Beretta's. I put

thousand's of rounds of CDN 9mmNato through a S&W 459 in the 80's without

incident. Some of our club members had tens of thousands through their 39's

and 59's before cracks appeared in their alloy frames and S&W went good for

the frames anyhow.S&W probaly didnt know it was ammo designed to cycle

an SMG's breechbolt LoL. The only combat gun i ever saw on the line firing

Nato FMJ's that wasn't reliable was a Llama. I alway's said about pistols and

NATO 9mm's, If you can't dance to this ,then baby you can't dance. :)
 
My buddy thought he was gunna shoot circles around me with his new MP Smith that he just got. I will give it does have nice features with the palm swells and the light weight but at the end of the day when I outshot the daylights out of him he was a believer in the metal handguns over tupperware. But those new M&P's are not bad guns at all.

Its one of those handguns you are not afraid to use and get a couple scratches on it (even though mine is still almost mint) its a gun you will use all the time and never want to get rid of. Its the buck knife of handguns. It may not have the blade like a spyderco but its always there when you need it and ready to work hard.

Really? The performance you and your friend experienced is not related to the tool used, its the shooter. Claiming polymer guns are crap because your friend can't shoot is neither scientific nor factual evidence that polymer guns suck. The same goes for your performance with a metal/steel framed gun.

TDC
 
Really? The performance you and your friend experienced is not related to the tool used, its the shooter. Claiming polymer guns are crap because your friend can't shoot is neither scientific nor factual evidence that polymer guns suck. The same goes for your performance with a metal/steel framed gun.

TDC

Where did he say tupperware guns are crap?

Take Care

Bob
 
Really? The performance you and your friend experienced is not related to the tool used, its the shooter. Claiming polymer guns are crap because your friend can't shoot is neither scientific nor factual evidence that polymer guns suck. The same goes for your performance with a metal/steel framed gun.

Riiiiight. But when you said "I've seen many revolvers at matches and none functioned flawlessly", THAT was to be taken as scientific evidence?
 
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