There are no alternatives to the AR15

Mirk said:
My intent is not to call you a fudd or anything, but I am curious, why the part about semi-auto bolt carriers. We are currently allowed full auto carriers, same as the US, so would this not be a step back, even if given in trade for a step forward. Partly, I ask because as I see it the carrier makes little to no difference as to the possible full-auto capabilities of the rifle, machining and various other parts are still necessary (no?), it would be like a false martyr for antis. Hmmm, perhaps that was your reasoning.

Anyhow, FYI, I have a total love affair with the AR platform, threads praising it like this make me fell all warm and fuzzy inside.
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Yeah, the idea was to throw them a bone - we trade the largely irrelevant (FA carrier in a full length gas system), for the very relevant (non-restricted status). The argument would go something along the lines of - it's too big to conceal, it's got 5 round mags, and none of the parts will work in a fully automatic rifle - so really, there's no need for it to be restricted. As far as Blaxsun's comments go - I think I was hiking with a folding stock AK and 30 round mag, right about the time he was going to elementary school, so I'm really not bothered by his misinterpretations.
 
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enefgee said:
Yeah, the idea was to throw them a bone - we trade the largely irrelevant (FA carrier in a full length gas system), for the very relevant (non-restricted status). The argument would go something along the lines of - it's too big to conceal, it's got 5 round mags, and none of the parts will work in a fully automatic rifle - so really, there's no need for it to be restricted.
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Without an auto sear and a receiver capable of accepting it, a F/A carrier doesn't really get you anywhere near being F/A. Don't give anyone ideas, we don't need more parts prohibited than we already have. They've already taken miles, don't give them any more inches.
 
mechanik said:
Without an auto sear and a receiver capable of accepting it, a F/A carrier doesn't really get you anywhere near being F/A. Don't give anyone ideas, we don't need more parts prohibited than we already have. They've already taken miles, don't give them any more inches.
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I'm well aware of that too - I've fired an AR with a DIAS
 
enefgee said:
Yeah, the idea was to throw them a bone - we trade the largely irrelevant (FA carrier in a full length gas system), for the very relevant (non-restricted status). The argument would go something along the lines of - it's too big to conceal, it's got 5 round mags, and none of the parts will work in a fully automatic rifle - so really, there's no need for it to be restricted. As far as Blaxsun's comments go - I think I was hiking with a folding stock AK and 30 round mag, right about the time he was going to elementary school, so I'm really not bothered by his misinterpretations.
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I see... I see... You know as I was typing that I was starting to see your point...

I am right to assume a DIAS will not work in our ARs with out machining the lower, right?
 
andrew3081 said:
Considering that we can buy any barrel length upper without even having a firearm license, they will probably never ed-restrict Ar15.
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Exactamundo. Silly Americans serializing the lower. If the upper was the firearm the tards could keep track of rifles with evil short barrels and leave the harmless long ones alone. But then it is still restricted by design. Crap.
 
J996 said:
Exactamundo. Silly Americans serializing the lower. If the upper was the firearm the tards could keep track of rifles with evil short barrels and leave the harmless long ones alone. But then it is still restricted by design. Crap.
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Rifles below 16" in length are considered SBR in the US and are required to have a tax stamp and be regestired with the ATF, no? So, it would be kind of a similar situation...
 
enefgee said:
I'm well aware of that too - I've fired an AR with a DIAS
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I know that you know but my point was that it's:

a) a meaningless gesture, which will not get you any bargaining power

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b) only encouraging them to make more senseless laws.
 
Mirk said:
Rifles below 16" in length are considered SBR in the US and are required to have a tax stamp and be regestired with the ATF, no? So, it would be kind of a similar situation...
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Sorry I meant the Canadian tards. If the uppers were the serialized firearm anything over the stupid 18.5 rule should be non res.
 
Mirk said:
I see... I see... You know as I was typing that I was starting to see your point...

I am right to assume a DIAS will not work in our ARs with out machining the lower, right?
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For a DIAS to work you need the right FA LPK, BCG and the right brand of lower - there are DIAS compliant lowers available in Canada, that require no modifications at all, other than the correct installation of the DIAS (not all that simple). The thing we (gun owners) frequently miss is the optics of gun control - we see the reality, meanwhile CGC is creating an image - the image isn't even close to the reality, far from it - but how many ordinary Canadians believe the Mini 14 is the equivalent of a Minigun?

PS - it's perfectly legal (assuming the DIAS is registered) to install a DIAS in Class 3 States, so what I'm describing is not illegal in those locations (just to be clear to those who might be prone to panic attacks)
 
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mechanik said:
I know that you know but my point was that it's:

a) a meaningless gesture, which will not get you any bargaining power

and,

b) only encouraging them to make more senseless laws.
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a) I'd agree with you if we were facing any other government at any other time and I wouldn't bother proposing anything like this with any other government - at some point (the election of the Lieberals or the NDP) you have to consider yourself all in and just say - - - - you to the government and not give an inch.

b) but we're encouraging them to make senseless laws that allow us more freedom - and I do agree the laws would be senseless, but the only thing worse than a senseless law that bends things in your favour is what we have now - namely senseless laws that bend against our interests.
 
Mini14s...try them again, for the first time. I've never shot an older one but have heard plenty. I actually owned a Mini14, 580 series that would routinely shoot 3/4" groups at 100yds using Hornady factory ammo. Stone cold reliable too.

Riflechair said:
A new Mini-14 is still about $1000 out of the box.
I really shouldn't be too critical though..

I see all of the "dogs" as previously described 2< MOA rifles off the bench.
Tactically though - running and gunnin under a modicum of stress they're all reliable.
I'd sure like to try the new Ruger Mini-14 tactical (without the crappy ATI stock). The one with the Bird Cage arrestor on it.

That would be wicked (still a 2+ MOA rifle though). If the gas system can be tightened, op rod guide tightened, properly bedded, and the 6lb trigger lightened then yeehaw.... It might be a 1 MOA rifle? Who knows how to do this though?

I just wish the AR15 was non-restricted. OK my true feelings revealled - I won't bore you.
I have searched far and wide to find something comparably priced, non-restricted and equivalent in accuracy & reliability.
FUBAR

The mini-14 is still probably good value for money.
The Benelli MR1 at $1750 though??? WHAT???
It's still a 2+ MOA rifle!

All I can say is - Manufacturers stop bending us over and pull your chite together.
The AR15 is old tech now - surely you can come up with something comparative and cost effective?

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I've been looking for a tavor for about a year now in gunshops in AB but seem to always be one step behind. Even with a $2700 price tag they can't keep them on the shelves. Goes to show the price we will pay to be able to shoot somewhere other than a range. I've always wanted an AR but just can't justify $1500 or more for a gun I have to drive an hour to go shoot. And that's if the local range is open.
 
Redbearded1 said:
I've been looking for a tavor for about a year now in gunshops in AB but seem to always be one step behind. Even with a $2700 price tag they can't keep them on the shelves. Goes to show the price we will pay to be able to shoot somewhere other than a range. I've always wanted an AR but just can't justify $1500 or more for a gun I have to drive an hour to go shoot. And that's if the local range is open.
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That's exactly where I'm sitting with buying an AR at the moment :(

So much money for a restricted range toy.

If I was single and had nothing but time to spend traveling to a range and staying all day to make it worth the trips, I would have had an AR 2 years ago.

But when you have a busy carreer, wife, kids, house, time is not on your side.
 
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Agreed

give the mini a second chance :)

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?850078-Improving-Mini-14-30-Accuracy
 
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