Think Our Black Rifle Laws Suck? The Full-Auto Dream
- Thread starter blaxsun
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Other things I would like to see happen?
Well I would like to see the need for an ATT done away with completely. If your already approved for restricted firearms (RPAL), you should be allowed to transport them to any approved range by just having an RPAL. This would eliminate being forced to join a club just to be able to get the permit to transport.
Getting AR's and all it's variants pulled off the resrticted list would also be a good start.
Magazine capacity restrictions done away with.
The legalization of suppressors (a pipe dream but still would be nice).
I have no issue of going through a background check or paying $200 tax stamp if I could shoot without the need for earmuffs, especially at indoor ranges. I already have to go through background checks and finger printing for Controlled Goods approval at work.
Being able to own a full-auto would be cool, but the cost of feeding the beast would just crazy. Now a full-auto .22 on the other hand would just be a blast to own and not cost too much to feed.
Agreed!
does anyone know what the att is supposed to prevent?
or whats was the initial purpose it was put in place?
magazine restrictions dont make any logic lol
full auto would be nice but definitely not a priority.
they should also change the whole barrel length system for pistols, always wanted a g19 and 26 but i am not paying close to 1k for one.
does anyone know what the att is supposed to prevent?
or whats was the initial purpose it was put in place?
magazine restrictions dont make any logic lol
full auto would be nice but definitely not a priority.
they should also change the whole barrel length system for pistols, always wanted a g19 and 26 but i am not paying close to 1k for one.
I can somewhat understand the mag cap thing. You wouldn't want a "bad guy" being able to have 100 rounds at the ready. At least a mag change gives officers a couple seconds to place rounds.
What bugs me is the handgun laws. Why so strict and why can't we have "micro" pistols..or whatever you wanna call them... if the only place we can fire them is at the range why does it matter whether it's a DE 50 or a small KAHR P380?
Wouldn't it make more sense to ban the guns that can penetrate a vest?
I know it's more about concealability but when someone hides an illegal gun on their person, they always dress for it anyways. Canadian firearm laws blow my mind.
What bugs me is the handgun laws. Why so strict and why can't we have "micro" pistols..or whatever you wanna call them... if the only place we can fire them is at the range why does it matter whether it's a DE 50 or a small KAHR P380?
Wouldn't it make more sense to ban the guns that can penetrate a vest?
I know it's more about concealability but when someone hides an illegal gun on their person, they always dress for it anyways. Canadian firearm laws blow my mind.
A bad guy doesn't care about the mag capacity restrictions nor any other gun law. They never have and never will. They will get their mags off the black market or from the US anyways. The mag restrictions only hurts the law abiding gun owner.
True, but I'd think there would be less "bad guys" that know if they bought a black market mag it would come un-pinned as opposed to a mag found locally.
Kinda like full autos I guess....they're banned for us, but gangs can still get them from the black markets if they want but yet we rarely see or hear of gangs/members carrying or using full auto. They more or less carry the same guns that we own, just not legally.
Even still, what's the actual need for more than 5 rounds in a rifle anyways? If you aren't in the military or using that gun for defensive purposes I see no need for more than 5 rounds especially when you can carry multiple loaded mags.
Kinda like full autos I guess....they're banned for us, but gangs can still get them from the black markets if they want but yet we rarely see or hear of gangs/members carrying or using full auto. They more or less carry the same guns that we own, just not legally.
Even still, what's the actual need for more than 5 rounds in a rifle anyways? If you aren't in the military or using that gun for defensive purposes I see no need for more than 5 rounds especially when you can carry multiple loaded mags.
sithinside
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Have you ever run a firearm course or shot a 3 gun match?
Take 3 loaded regular magazines without a pin, this is perfect for running through a 3 gun course. 90 rounds.
Now, try and get the same amount of ammunition on you with our current laws. Just in case you don't want to do the math, it's 18 magazines. Try carrying 18 magazines on your person in a manner in which all of them are easily accessible for sporting purposes. It's impossible without completely hindering your movement. Efficiency is also straight out the window.
blaxsun
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How can you even call yourself a gun owner with a comment like that? It's as bad as the whole Recoil thing...
Sorry, USA gun laws are still WAY better than our gun laws in almost every single state. Look south of BC to Washington. Sure you cannot own F/A but you can concealed carry, no mag limits, sbr, suppressors and the most important part is you can do w.e. you want with your pistols/SBR. No random prohibited rifles either.
Also, in most places gun laws are getting BETTER in the USA, not worse like here.
Also, in most places gun laws are getting BETTER in the USA, not worse like here.
blaxsun
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Emphasis on "almost" (really sucks to be in CA or NY). We're all hoping it continues, but we'll see what happens with the election in a few months...
How can you even call yourself a gun owner with a comment like that? It's as bad as the whole Recoil thing...
Ok so tell me then why do YOU need more than 5 rounds?
I LOVE guns and have been shooting for over 15yrs now, I just don't see the need other than the reason in the post above yours.
In which I'll say, yeah sure...for those matches....unpinned mags should be allowed, or just change the way the matches are run to accommodate our current mag laws.
The only reason I can come up with why one would need more than 5 rounds in a single mag is for one of these matches.
Tell me, what do you guys do now when you need 90 rounds for a match? Do you actually load up 18 mags or what?
blaxsun
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Because there's absolutely no reason that law-abiding, responsible firearms owners should have an arbitrary magazine limit imposed on them. Self-defense is a legitimate reason for owning firearms; multiple armed assailants not only outnumber the average homeowner, but they also disregard magazine limits.
100% agree...
why are we knee capping LEGITIMATE citizens ability to self defense...
and just like the other laws we make, criminals just break the mag laws
only lawful people follow the law...
give me a SINGLE instance where someone shot people with a pinned mag instead of a normal cap one...
gangs are not capped at 5 members, so my mag should not be capped at 5,
there is not reason to cap them, because a cap law does nothing... people willing to shoot others are willing to pop a rivit out.
its also a state ment of "we can impose whatever arbitrary laws we want"
and is not the only example of laws made with that attitude, there were plenty of recommendations to allow for sports usage of normal capacity mags when this law was passed, all thoroughly ignored
because the only reason the capped mags at 5rounds was because they couldnt ban ALL mag fed semi automatics
because if we accept that we dont really need 30 or 20 or 10 round mags, why do we really need 5 round mags... or guns at all... cant we just buy meat from the super market and take up archery?
im sure i could come up with more reasons why, but I think the point is made.
blaxsun
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
And with people in our own ranks still expressing that FUDD mentality, it's a point we'll have to continue making over and over again...
how did that bad guy get his gun? bad guys are usually known criminals...
they will get whatever guns they want illegally...
they are not going into your local store, buying some gun, and some pinned mags and walking out...
the bad guys equipment is limited only by how much money he has, not by the laws we make.
I've been shooting for over 35 years. Back when i thought that 5 rd mag capacities were stupid(state side) all while firing 30 rds out of a 30 rd mag.
The law is stupid. You my friend and people like you are the reason we have stupid gun laws. Why?....because we love guns more than you do! Thats why. Rant over.
Man I would love to see some pictures of how it was back in the early 80's and before that of you old timers shooting full auto and having a good time. Canada has changed so much in my lifetime, in truth I don't think it will ever go back.
If America has a right called the 2nd amendment and they have gone from that too magazine limits in many states just think how much it will go South in the next few decades if the trend continues. If Obama wins and he does go after another "assault weapons ban" i think they will try and make it permanent this time.
Great post, Blaxsun.
You made the comment "consent from local LE".
That needs to be expanded upon.
A few years back, I was at a Full Auto shoot in Albany OR.
http://www.arpc.info/sbmgs.php
I got talking to 2 guys from the Portland OR police dept.
They were there on their own, not on dept duty or time, firing their own guns. (Tommy and Egyptian Port Siad, IIRC)
They said that their own boss, the police chief, was unwilling to sign them off until a few of the rank and file cops were about to take him to court or whatever.
So, it is FAR from cash and carry for FA in the USA, regardless what the uninformed believe.
You made the comment "consent from local LE".
That needs to be expanded upon.
A few years back, I was at a Full Auto shoot in Albany OR.
http://www.arpc.info/sbmgs.php
I got talking to 2 guys from the Portland OR police dept.
They were there on their own, not on dept duty or time, firing their own guns. (Tommy and Egyptian Port Siad, IIRC)
They said that their own boss, the police chief, was unwilling to sign them off until a few of the rank and file cops were about to take him to court or whatever.
So, it is FAR from cash and carry for FA in the USA, regardless what the uninformed believe.
