This Russian Rifle Just Might Be the Cockroach of Guns: Meet the SKS

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This Russian Rifle Just Might Be the Cockroach of Guns: Meet the SKS

February 19, 2019 Topic: Security Blog Brand: The Buzz Tags: Gun Rifle Military Technology World War

by WarIsBoring



It’s not perfect. The SKS’ free-floating firing pin, if not cleaned and acting properly, can cause this semi-automatic gun to “slamfire,” meaning it begins to fire in automatic with no way to stop it — which is considerably dangerous. But few would deny the SKS just kept working, in many more places, and long after Sergei Simonov — who died in May 1986 at the age of 92 — could have imagined.


The most iconic rifle of the 20th century is the AK-47. One of the most iconic rifles of World War II — granted, this is more debatable — is the Mosin-Nagant. Both were developed in Russia.

The SKS, short for Self-Loading Carbine of the Simonov System , is the odd one out.

Developed in the interim between the Mosin-Nagant and the AK-47, Sergei Simonov’s semi-automatic carbine had a mere 10-round internal box magazine, an improvement from the fundamentally 19th-century design of the five-round, bolt-action Mosin.

The SKS shared the 7.62x39-millimeter cartridge with the AK-47, but the latter’s 30-round detachable magazine gave the Kalashnikov the extra firepower the Red Army craved in the immediate post-war years. As a result, the SKS saw limited use in the Soviet military beginning in 1949 — and stuck around primarily in the hands of ceremonial, border and reserve units.

But the SKS remained an adaptable, reliable and high-powered weapon. So much so that it persisted into the 21st century’s wars despite the AK-47 being the overall better weapon for government work.

Accounts differ, C.J. Chivers noted in his 2010 history The Gun , as to whether or not a visiting Chinese delegation to the Soviet Union was furious at seeing the SKS under production. The USSR had until this point largely supplied China with M44 bolt-action carbines.

But regardless of what actually happened, China got the technology it wanted and went on to produce millions of SKSs. Although the debacle of the Sino-Vietnamese War of 1979 would expose the weapon’s limitations and force the Chinese army to upgrade its small arms to the Type 81 rifle, an AK-47/SKS hybrid.

The situation was different in the 1950s and 1960s, and at the time, the SKS was suitable for China’s Maoist military doctrine which placed a priority on basic rifle skills, sniper attacks and ambushes.

While the SKS has a limited ammunition capacity of 10 rounds, this was not a major problem — Maoist cadres mounting a defense of the Chinese mainland were expected to travel light.

For similar reasons, the SKS has remained to this day in insurgent and guerrilla stockpiles — and in some armies — around the world, and has seen use most recently in Syria and Iraq, although the carbines are less common than they used to be.

Ex-Yugoslavian carbines also pop up relatively frequently, although this version has some shortcomings. The Yugoslavian SKS lacks a chrome-lined barrel — a knock to reliability when firing corrosive ammunition — but adds an integrated grenade launching feature.

That’s a bonus if you’re a rebel who has a few rifle grenades lying around, but for most shooters, this makes a simple weapon heavier and more fault-prone than it strictly needs to be, as the Yugoslavian SKS requires a more complicated gas system.

The SKS has an odd place in the civilian world, too. Because China produced so many — and exported so many — the carbine has become a cheap, popular hunting and sporting weapon in the West.

And since an owner must modify the SKS for it to carry more than 10 rounds, the factory versions are a bit easier to acquire in states and countries that restrict rifles with higher-capacity magazines.

The United States also slapped restrictions on imports from the Chinese manufacturer Norinco in 1993, which makes the SKS a rare example of a military rifle that is arguably easier to acquire in Canada, which did not impose similar restrictions — provided you have the proper licenses.

For collectors, the carbine has an added historical and military cachet, with the Soviet versions being among the most highly coveted given their limited production.

Plus, there’s a mean-looking bayonet integrated into the barrel — although the particular style depends on the country of origin. If you like your bayonets pointy, buy the Chinese version. If you’re going for a blade, look for a Yugoslavian SKS.

It’d be a stretch to say that the SKS was ahead of its time. The carbine was a Soviet competitor to the German Gewehr 42 and the American M1 Garand — but more reliable than the Gewehr while much cheaper and easier to acquire into the 21st century than the Garand.

It’s not perfect. The SKS’ free-floating firing pin, if not cleaned and acting properly, can cause this semi-automatic gun to “slamfire,” meaning it begins to fire in automatic with no way to stop it — which is considerably dangerous.

But few would deny the SKS just kept working, in many more places, and long after Sergei Simonov — who died in May 1986 at the age of 92 — could have imagined.
 
Slam fire does not fire in automatic, in automatic you let go of trigger and firing stops, it is a malfunction and a runaway in the firing mechanism, at that point the gun is broken and not operating as it should. It is very dangerous, full auto is only dangerous if you are the one being fired at! Rant over.
The SKS is an awesome rifle, inexpensive to buy and shoot, very robust, well made and ###y. Buy some.
 
I am not sure why everyone makes an issue of the SKS floating firing pin. My AR 15 also has a floating firing pin. It is actually quite common. Like anything else, do the maintenance and it is a non issue. Every time I clean I check the firing pin is moving freely. Use the ammo it was designed for, no soft primers. Problem solved. Never had a slam fire yet.
 
Slam fire does not fire in automatic, in automatic you let go of trigger and firing stops, it is a malfunction and a runaway in the firing mechanism, at that point the gun is broken and not operating as it should. It is very dangerous, full auto is only dangerous if you are the one being fired at! Rant over.
The SKS is an awesome rifle, inexpensive to buy and shoot, very robust, well made and ###y. Buy some.

Agreed, a liberal would read this and say the wks should be prohibited on the basis that people could poorly maintain them to have an auto....a foolish argument.
 
I am not sure why everyone makes an issue of the SKS floating firing pin. My AR 15 also has a floating firing pin. It is actually quite common. Like anything else, do the maintenance and it is a non issue. Every time I clean I check the firing pin is moving freely. Use the ammo it was designed for, no soft primers. Problem solved. Never had a slam fire yet.

M1 Garand, M1 Carbine, M14, AR15....free floating firing pins, BUT also a safety feature built into the design that prevents the firing pin from contacting the primer until the rifle is fully in battery, prevents slam fires as well. All these Western rifles have a bridge/ridge that stops forward movement of the firing pin as the bolt rotates into breech.
Probably the difference between Western thinking and Commie thinking...Commie soldiers (and rifles) are expendable lol.
 
So how many people have debated rolling the dice again with cabelas at 189 lol...… I got a pretty good one last time, easy to clean and shoots nice. The lastest reviews are terrible though, clearly its luck of the gun lotto what you get there unless you pick in store. I looked in store before and the lotto rifle they sent me was nicer for a Chinese rifle than I have ever seen off the shelf, even with a few knocks in the wood.....

decided if I get called in for one more patient tonight i'll drop a coin in the machine and spin the reels again. I love fee per service healthcare :)
 
I can see their point, I am a newer target shooter in Canada and due to price purchased a Russian SKS. Frankly, I have not been satisfied with it, the firing pin seized and double tapped, and it is also stove piping. I put in a Murphy's firing pin with a spring to prevent the slam fire issue but I can't for the life of me resolve the stove piping/failure to feed issue. I think I failed the gun lotto (as some others have mentioned in this thread).

I suspect I might post it on EE at a subsidized price with an explicit note that it has feeding issues and move on to a more reliable platform.
 
I can see their point, I am a newer target shooter in Canada and due to price purchased a Russian SKS. Frankly, I have not been satisfied with it, the firing pin seized and double tapped, and it is also stove piping. I put in a Murphy's firing pin with a spring to prevent the slam fire issue but I can't for the life of me resolve the stove piping/failure to feed issue. I think I failed the gun lotto (as some others have mentioned in this thread).

I suspect I might post it on EE at a subsidized price with an explicit note that it has feeding issues and move on to a more reliable platform.
You must have bought a Chinese refurb, I will take it off your hands for $100. Shipping incl. piece of junk! Gimme it and I will melt it down! ;)
 
I can see their point, I am a newer target shooter in Canada and due to price purchased a Russian SKS. Frankly, I have not been satisfied with it, the firing pin seized and double tapped, and it is also stove piping. I put in a Murphy's firing pin with a spring to prevent the slam fire issue but I can't for the life of me resolve the stove piping/failure to feed issue. I think I failed the gun lotto (as some others have mentioned in this thread).

I suspect I might post it on EE at a subsidized price with an explicit note that it has feeding issues and move on to a more reliable platform.

I live in the GTA, PM me I can meet you at my gun club one day and I can have a look at your rifle. I have cleaned and had nothing but success with all my SKS's maybe its something that can be sorted out.
 
So how many people have debated rolling the dice again with cabelas at 189 lol...… I got a pretty good one last time, easy to clean and shoots nice. The lastest reviews are terrible though, clearly its luck of the gun lotto what you get there unless you pick in store. I looked in store before and the lotto rifle they sent me was nicer for a Chinese rifle than I have ever seen off the shelf, even with a few knocks in the wood.....

decided if I get called in for one more patient tonight i'll drop a coin in the machine and spin the reels again. I love fee per service healthcare :)

I went in person and they were willing to take 3 out a time fro me to look at. Apparently there is bunch of paperwork each time a gun is taken from the back room hence the 3 limit.

I wont spin the wheel because of the "no return" policy
 
I Actually don't know anyone with an SKS. But by the sounds of these forums every one has one. I must be missing out
Not necessarily, unless you like inexpensive, well made, semi automatic rifles that shoot mid powered cheap ammo and are accurate enough to plink or hunt with, that have really interesting history and different models and did I mention inexpensive! They do multiply quite often though which may be a downside because you might need a bigger or more gun safes!
 
I can see their point, I am a newer target shooter in Canada and due to price purchased a Russian SKS. Frankly, I have not been satisfied with it, the firing pin seized and double tapped, and it is also stove piping. I put in a Murphy's firing pin with a spring to prevent the slam fire issue but I can't for the life of me resolve the stove piping/failure to feed issue. I think I failed the gun lotto (as some others have mentioned in this thread).

I suspect I might post it on EE at a subsidized price with an explicit note that it has feeding issues and move on to a more reliable platform.

Sounds like a gun that didn't get a thorough cleaning to remove all the cosmoline.
 
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