Thoughts on how IPSC works

[Dexter Morgan]

Do you know what the number one criteria is for getting accepted into the Olympics?
It's the number of countries with a National Team.

There are 205 countries competing at the 2012 Olympics.

How many countries have a National IPSC team?

 

[john simmons]

Do you know what the number one criteria is for getting accepted into the Olympics?
It's the number of countries with a National Team.

There are 205 countries competing at the 2012 Olympics.

How many countries have a National IPSC team?

Approx 100 countries could forward a national team, maybe more.

 

[spideysteve]

Do you know what the number one criteria is for getting accepted into the Olympics?
It's the number of countries with a National Team.

There are 205 countries competing at the 2012 Olympics.

How many countries have a National IPSC team?

Not sure where you got your info about the number one criteria but this is closer to it ...
http://doodieproject.com/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=934&p=10855#p10855

 

[PH Racing]

There's not 100 countries in IPSC...

 

[Unregistered_]

How about a criteria within IPSC of only having a country as a member if it can send a team forward? That way the smaller countries that unfairly give votes to the EC will.........

.....ooohhhh, I see the problem.

 

[Dexter Morgan]

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[spideysteve]

I got my info first hand from the IOC ten years ago.
I was involved with another sport that wanted to get into the Olympics.

The first thing the IOC looks at is; How big is your sport? The first way they measure the size of a sport is how many countries entered a National Team at the last World Championships.

My sport unfortunately fell quite short of 205 teams.

Ah I see ... I misunderstood at first ... yes, that and how much $$ can they make promoting that sport and putting it on tv ...

 

[pmt]

I would rather see us do our own thing, instead of being an Area of the US. We'd lose voting rights at the General Assembly and all that. I know for the vast majority of Canadian IPSC shooters that's not important, but I like being able to go shoot in a variety of countries. I think in fact each country should be allowed to make the rules more acceptable for their countries (like if they need to PC the targets down to squished stop signs to keep the sport alive) vs all of us having to do it so that one country can keep it. Keep the general spirit of the game alive, but let it be fluid when it needs to be.

If we were an Area of USPSA we (our Area) wouldn't need voting rights at the General Assembly, just as your current province has no voting rights. We would vote in our own Area, and USPSA would vote at the GA. As a member of USPSA you can shoot in a variety of countries. USPSA does make rules more acceptable to it's own country and is keeping the spirit of PRACTICAL shooting alive.

What's next for IPSC? Paintball? Call of Duty on PS3?

 

[baird]

I would rather see us do our own thing, instead of being an Area of the US. We'd lose voting rights at the General Assembly and all that. I know for the vast majority of Canadian IPSC shooters that's not important, but I like being able to go shoot in a variety of countries. I think in fact each country should be allowed to make the rules more acceptable for their countries (like if they need to PC the targets down to squished stop signs to keep the sport alive) vs all of us having to do it so that one country can keep it. Keep the general spirit of the game alive, but let it be fluid when it needs to be.

I couldn't agree more about Canada going it's own way and making it work for us, l'm still pissed about having to buy mags that still only hold ten.
As part of the vast majority frig the general assembly.

 

[D_]

I couldn't agree more about Canada going it's own way and making it work for us, l'm still pissed about having to buy mags that still only hold ten.
As part of the vast majority frig the general assembly.

And lose all the benefits of IPSC? Insurance, respectable in the eyes of the law and plain old being somewhat organized and structured are not worth throwing away.

Round capacity laws are not IPSC. Having Sean work for us behind the scenes are a good step towards removing those laws for us competitors.

The answer isnt to throw it away the answer is to make it better.

 

[mechanik]

I have no problem with allowing stop sign targets and airsoft for those jurisdictions that can't compete any other way, but that doesn't mean we all ought to limit ourselves to the lowest common denominator either.

Since USPSA is part of IPSC, joining them would not really affect our abilities to compete in IPSC unless IPSC gave USPSA the boot.

 

[stormbringer]

And lose all the benefits of IPSC? Insurance, respectable in the eyes of the law and plain old being somewhat organized and structured are not worth throwing away.

What does IPSC have to do with insurance? How is USPSA not respected, organized and structured?

Round capacity laws are not IPSC.

How not? They have an effect for sure.

Having Sean work for us behind the scenes are a good step towards removing those laws for us competitors.

I think you are confused a tad...........sean does some great work for IPSC in Canada. However I am unaware of him being involved on a political side what so ever.

The answer isnt to throw it away the answer is to make it better.

How can you make it better when it is rotten at the top and there is no mechanism to correct it?

 

[ndb86]

I think Dallas means that it's Canadian law that neuters our mags, not IPSC. As for the rest of this thread...

 

[Unregistered_]

I think Dallas was referring to leaving IPSC and doing our own thing, something I disagree with for some of the reasons he listed.

But I am in agreement with Canada joining USPSA.

What changes would that bring about? The biggest one is the lack thereof. No more insane, illogical rule changes dictated by a man who has obviously lost touch with reality.

It means we get to use a far more robust classification system than ICS.

It means we get to use the proper targets again, rather than reverting to the lowest common denominator.

It means that rules that affect our sport aren't voted into place by Tonga, Fiji and other places with 50 members and give their votes to Pinto.

 

[baird]

And lose all the benefits of IPSC? Insurance, respectable in the eyes of the law and plain old being somewhat organized and structured are not worth throwing away.

Round capacity laws are not IPSC. Having Sean work for us behind the scenes are a good step towards removing those laws for us competitors.

The answer isnt to throw it away the answer is to make it better.

The mag issue had nothing to do with round count, it was the exemption Canada had for length. We were able to use 140 mags "Pinned at Ten" but the powers to be wouldn't leave well enough alone.

 

[D_]

What does IPSC have to do with insurance? How is USPSA not respected, organized and structured?





How not? They have an effect for sure.



I think you are confused a tad...........sean does some great work for IPSC in Canada. However I am unaware of him being involved on a political side what so ever.



How can you make it better when it is rotten at the top and there is no mechanism to correct it?

IPSC AB has insurance with the NFA. Not all provinces are the same - not all provinces have insurance? Sure USPSA is all that but you mention all of us leaving to get a voice - in the states? I don't think so.

IPSC didnt create a ten round law... USPSA supports ten.

IPSC Canada is not a lobby organization. It is an organization with a lot of members that does have a voice.

Different bosses would have no change on the state of the sport.

 

[D_]

I think Dallas was referring to leaving IPSC and doing our own thing, something I disagree with for some of the reasons he listed.

But I am in agreement with Canada joining USPSA.

What changes would that bring about? The biggest one is the lack thereof. No more insane, illogical rule changes dictated by a man who has obviously lost touch with reality.

It means we get to use a far more robust classification system than ICS.

It means we get to use the proper targets again, rather than reverting to the lowest common denominator.

It means that rules that affect our sport aren't voted into place by Tonga, Fiji and other places with 50 members and give their votes to Pinto.

So we get rule changes from someone else. The IPSC rules are far more clear than the USPSA for equipment. By far.

USPSA uses the same classifier based ranking system...

I prefer the turtle.

What your stating is Strader says what happens in IPSC alone. I don't agree with that.

 

[D_]

The mag issue had nothing to do with round count, it was the exemption Canada had for length. We were able to use 140 mags "Pinned at Ten" but the powers to be wouldn't leave well enough alone.

It is how it should be now - how the rest of the world is. The exemption was a mistake in the first place.

 

[baird]

It is how it should be now - how the rest of the world is. The exemption was a mistake in the first place.

Yes but they still only hold ten so it"s not like the rest of the world, how was it a mistake when no advantages were there?

 

[PH Racing]

So we get rule changes from someone else. The IPSC rules are far more clear than the USPSA for equipment. By far.

USPSA uses the same classifier based ranking system...

I prefer the turtle.

What your stating is Strader says what happens in IPSC alone. I don't agree with that.

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