Well I guess I should buy another tikka then! I think 6.5x55 this time!no, except for the fact that every time you fire a round from a Tikka God kills a kitten.
Tikka prices dropped by a $100
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For the sake of killing kittens, or seeking a bargain? I'd predict that Remington won't be selling many SPSs unless those prices drop as well.
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the Tikka would have to drop another $100 before id consider it over an SPS or Savage.
cheap stocks aside, the other two rifles are still full-fledged model 700s or 10/110s. all parts are interchangeable, the receivers are the same, there are innumerable aftermarket accessories and parts available, and they have the potential to become whatever it is you want to make them into -- precision rifles if you so wish.
the Tikka T3 will always just be a Tikka T3. dont get me wrong they are an OK rifle, but theyre pretty 'dead-end' compared to a Remington or Savage.
think about it - would you buy just a Tikka T3 receiver on the EE? probably not, because just turning it back into a production T3 would cost you 2-3x as much as buying a new one - and you cant really do much else with it. i wouldnt hesitate to buy a Savage or Remington receiver though: through inexpensive and widely available parts you can turn it into anything you want.
but yes you are right, that it will hurt the SPS sales, because average Joe Hunter does not think this way. still, competition is a good thing for all of us - it means we get more innovation, better prices, etc.
cheap stocks aside, the other two rifles are still full-fledged model 700s or 10/110s. all parts are interchangeable, the receivers are the same, there are innumerable aftermarket accessories and parts available, and they have the potential to become whatever it is you want to make them into -- precision rifles if you so wish.
the Tikka T3 will always just be a Tikka T3. dont get me wrong they are an OK rifle, but theyre pretty 'dead-end' compared to a Remington or Savage.
think about it - would you buy just a Tikka T3 receiver on the EE? probably not, because just turning it back into a production T3 would cost you 2-3x as much as buying a new one - and you cant really do much else with it. i wouldnt hesitate to buy a Savage or Remington receiver though: through inexpensive and widely available parts you can turn it into anything you want.
but yes you are right, that it will hurt the SPS sales, because average Joe Hunter does not think this way. still, competition is a good thing for all of us - it means we get more innovation, better prices, etc.
Last time I checked the Savage and the Remmy does not come in boringly accurate flat shooting 6.5x55 Swede, so that rules them out for me.
So suffice to say a Stainless Savage with accu trigger in 6.5x55 would tempt me.
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the fact remains that you could buy any old Savage, a $40 barrel wrench, and you could rebarrel your own Savage into any caliber you like, even with a match barrel
if you are stingy you dont even need headspace gauges - some guys just use a quality factory cartridge to headspace them.
.30-06 bolt face and mag will work perfectly. now im not saying that its logical to go out and buy a Savage to rebarrel it right away to 6.5x55, it would make more sense to buy a Tikka. but you have more options with a Savage. if you get tired of your caliber, just rebarrel it to whatever you like. not so easy with a Remington but there are often remmy take-off barrels in the EE, so a rebarrel wouldnt be too expensive either.
i just feel better owning something like a Remington or Savage, because later on if there is a part of it that i am unhappy with (stock, trigger, barrel, bolt handle, etc) then its relatively cheap and easy to change.
if you are stingy you dont even need headspace gauges - some guys just use a quality factory cartridge to headspace them.
.30-06 bolt face and mag will work perfectly. now im not saying that its logical to go out and buy a Savage to rebarrel it right away to 6.5x55, it would make more sense to buy a Tikka. but you have more options with a Savage. if you get tired of your caliber, just rebarrel it to whatever you like. not so easy with a Remington but there are often remmy take-off barrels in the EE, so a rebarrel wouldnt be too expensive either.
i just feel better owning something like a Remington or Savage, because later on if there is a part of it that i am unhappy with (stock, trigger, barrel, bolt handle, etc) then its relatively cheap and easy to change.
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FYI, I was checking at WSS today after seeing this discussion, only the tupperware models are down, the laminate is still 950, and the camo stock (which I am pretty sure is the same tupperware) is 840.
Can I say tupperware? or is that a trademark. Mind-you, I once pulled the recoil pad of a ruger #1, and I sh#t you not, it said "Goodyear" on the inside!
Can I say tupperware? or is that a trademark. Mind-you, I once pulled the recoil pad of a ruger #1, and I sh#t you not, it said "Goodyear" on the inside!
Manbearpig,
Most rifles don't get built, people just buy them, shoot them very little and leave them stock. I've got both an SPS and a Tikka and to be honest don't particulary care for either of them much. I've also built rifles on Remingtons and not a Tikka. If I had to bet on which one would shoot out of the box it would be the Tikka though. I just spent $1300 on a new Remington PSS plus the price of the rifle to make it shoot. There wasn't much about that Remington that was right. The bolt was only bearing on one lug, the bolt nose contacted the counterbore, it looks like the front of one of the lugs touched the barrel, the chamber looked like it was cut with a tap instead of a reamer and after we split the barrel with a chop saw found not only that it was rougher than hell but had machining marks that can only be described as gouges. I don't remember the run-out on the action face, but it was a lot. Nothing a blueprint, new barrel that costs more than a Tikka, Holland lug and bedding can't cure. Hopefully it shoots as well as my Tikka sporter shot out of the box.It cost as much as three of them. Still, I don't particularily like my Tikka with it's plastic parts and toy-like feel. I can't warm up to Savages at all, considering them crude and ugly just like me. I've had a few, and still have one. The accu-trigger doesn't impress me at all.
What's the point of this post? Not much, except to go back to what I said in the first place. The tupperware Tikka is more gun than the tupperware Remington, and I would predict that Remington sales are going to hurt when the prices are this close. Their great guns to buy, shoot the hell out of them and get another one.
Most rifles don't get built, people just buy them, shoot them very little and leave them stock. I've got both an SPS and a Tikka and to be honest don't particulary care for either of them much. I've also built rifles on Remingtons and not a Tikka. If I had to bet on which one would shoot out of the box it would be the Tikka though. I just spent $1300 on a new Remington PSS plus the price of the rifle to make it shoot. There wasn't much about that Remington that was right. The bolt was only bearing on one lug, the bolt nose contacted the counterbore, it looks like the front of one of the lugs touched the barrel, the chamber looked like it was cut with a tap instead of a reamer and after we split the barrel with a chop saw found not only that it was rougher than hell but had machining marks that can only be described as gouges. I don't remember the run-out on the action face, but it was a lot. Nothing a blueprint, new barrel that costs more than a Tikka, Holland lug and bedding can't cure. Hopefully it shoots as well as my Tikka sporter shot out of the box.It cost as much as three of them. Still, I don't particularily like my Tikka with it's plastic parts and toy-like feel. I can't warm up to Savages at all, considering them crude and ugly just like me. I've had a few, and still have one. The accu-trigger doesn't impress me at all.
What's the point of this post?
Not much, except to go back to what I said in the first place. The tupperware Tikka is more gun than the tupperware Remington, and I would predict that Remington sales are going to hurt when the prices are this close. Their great guns to buy, shoot the hell out of them and get another one.
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If you want cheap, you might as well get one that shoots without fiddling with it. That describes the tupperware tikkas and the steven tupperware as well. Not the sps.
BTW Good description of the typical off the shelf remington.
woah, that time of the month again covey?
Not at all mb pig! You made my day
I nearly fell out of my chair laughing so hard
I really enjoyed your expert opinion how you would invest time and money and salvage a cheap peace of #### and make it into a bastardized custom cheap peace of ####. You have taken your opinion to an all time low.
I might have my time of month
but you seem to be that way everyday and sinking deeper!Just ordered the Tikka T3 Synthetic/Blued in .243.
Is .243 a good calibre?
Congratulations!
.243 is good for deer size and down:
100 gr partition for deer (41.4 gr of H4350 > 3000 fps)
70 gr Varmint bullets for others (41.0 gr of Varget > 3500 fps)
There is hardly any recoil so you can see the bullet hit the target.
My Abolt shoots under 1 MOA. I am positive your Tikka will do better.
Enjoy!
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Not at all mb pig! You made my day
You have taken your opinion to an all time low.
I might have my time of month
against my better judgement im actually going to dignify your blatant trolling with an answer.
i said that an often overlooked advantage of the Remingtons and Savages is that they have widely available aftermarket/replacement parts and thus have the potential to be changed down the road into anything you like - even a precision rifle.
exactly what part of the above statement is false?
i also said that to me, its worth buying a rifle that actually has parts and accessories widely available for it, unlike the zilch that is available for the Tikka. find me a McMillan stock for the Tikka T3. hell find me any aftermarket non-custom stock for the Tikka T3.
like it or not the SPS is built on the same action as other Remington 700s. the 700 SPS-V is identical to the current $1150 700P with the exception of the HS Precision stock on the more expensive model, and the fact that the 700-SPS is matte blued vs parkerized.
same goes for the Savages -- the actions/bolts are identical with the exception of an easily replaceable $20 bolt handle, an Accutrigger is an Accutrigger (and blows away the Tikka trigger), and the barrel can be easily replaced by anyone with the proper tools. hence a Savage or Remington will always be worth more to me than a Tikka.
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the kittens were an obvious joke.
my above opinion that i would opt for something with aftermarket/replacement parts available is just that - an opinion. its a direct response to:
and stating why i would still prefer an SPS until the Tikka price drops another $100.
learn the difference between bashing and stating a preference. if you want to see uninformed bashing, go see my pal Coveys posts on the Stoeger in the shotgun forum.
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then work on your reading comprehension.
