Tipping your outfitter

tar21 said:
sheephunter what is the name of your show?
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Would also like to know


I have never used an outfitter or guide but I am curious if I am spending $7000 or so on an Elk hunt and have to pay $100+/day in tips, what exactly does the $7000 cover?

You could stay here in Ontario and go to an outfitter ( not guided) for moose with 6 guys and pay less then $4000 for everyone. Why are some of these other places in different provinces a lot more cash plus a lot more tipping?
 
Waterfowler said:
So if a TV show crew goes on a hunt and have a ####ty hunt or problems with the outfitter/guide etc, do they still promote that outfitter during their show and after????????
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no that footage will never see the light of day on the show.


As well, if I was going with an outfitter or guided hunt, I certainly wouldn't want to be going the same time as a TV show crew. Because I am pretty sure I know who is going to get their A game.
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Bigbubba said:
This is the way it should be. I hate it when I see outfitted hunts advertised and then they have a little blurb on the end about tipping 20-30% of the cost of the hunt.....hmmm...so on a 4 day $4k mule deer antelope hunt I should be kicking in another $800-1200? I don't think so. Maybe $100 or $200 but that's tops.

No guide has ever had the "tipping conversation" with me. Good thing too because they wouldn't get tipped then......
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i had always a discussion about the staff before the clients arrived and i agree with you and again you are already paid. when i was conducting the meeting with clients i never mentionned it first but it really happens that the clients wanted to know and get scale ... they never get one from me ...
 
Why are some of these other places in different provinces a lot more cash plus a lot more tipping?
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Supply and demand. If that Ontario outfitter could quadruple his prices, he would. Even between outfitters in a province it varies. Some areas are known to be better than others, and some outfitters have better reputations and stronger return client lists. The first thing he will do is raise his prices if he has more clients than tags. The guy that can't fill his slots might negociate.
 
Suther said:
$200 a day isn't enough money to make it worthwhile?

Im a fulltime student who delivers pizza and I've never made that much in a days work - and I work 9-10 hour days all the time, without breaks. And I have to cover my gas, pay for car insurance, repairs, ect. And I make more money per hour than most people I know that are not in a career.

Sure guiding might not be something that pays as good as an electrician, mechanic, or Management, but its certainly not BAD money. Add the fact you get to do something you love and get paid for it, I can think of much worse ways of making a buck. Like delivering pizza. lol
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You have my respect.

After working a gas station pumping gas in minus 40 for 3 years, and recieving very little tips , i came to the realization you can freeze your nuts off and no one cares and that if you dont like what your paid for your days work, find a new job and career path .

So why tip someone who has a job to do? You cant under pay them for a crappy service, your already paying for premium service to being with. .

My pocket change worth
 
Dogleg said:
Supply and demand. If that Ontario outfitter could quadruple his prices, he would. Even between outfitters in a province it varies. Some areas are known to be better than others, and some outfitters have better reputations and stronger return client lists. The first thing he will do is raise his prices if he has more clients than tags. The guy that can't fill his slots might negociate.
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Sure that makes sense but you would think that places like BC would have a lot of supply of outfitters. Ontario has quite a few and there is also high demand from the US for bear and moose but it still stays affordable for the average Joe. We are looking at using one next year to try a new spot and we are looking at $600/guy for 9 days. You wanna go out west and that wouldn't cover your first day there.
 
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freddyfour said:
Sure that makes sense but you would think that places like BC would have a lot of supply of outfitters. Ontario has quite a few and there is also high demand from the US for bear and moose but it still stays affordable for the average Joe. We are looking at using one next year to try a new spot and we are looking at $600/guy for 9 days. You wanna go out west and that wouldn't cover your first day there.
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Its not the supply of outfitters; its a finite number of tags. Its like an auction sale in slow motion.
 
I can't speak for all areas, but at least for the most part an outfitter has an exclusive area and a given amount of tags for that area. Its not exclusive to the extent that nobody else can hunt there, but nobody else can outfit there.

If he has 5 sheep tags, or 10 guided whitetail tags or whatever for his area that's all there is. You can't ask Joe Lowballer to take you there cheaper, because he can't take you there at all. Joe might have his own area and be under booked, but he may be under booked because his area isn't as good or nobody has ever heard of him before. Conversely Outfitter #1 might have a great reputation for producing big trophies because he only shoots half of his quota. Therefore he may be able to command premium rates and make his money off fewer customers. Or, maybe he just claims to shoot half his quota but the reason is that he can't sell the hunts in the first place because his area is crap.

On average outfitters are guys who couldn't cut it selling snake-oil.;)
 
Dogleg said:
I can't speak for all areas, but at least for the most part an outfitter has an exclusive area and a given amount of tags for that area. Its not exclusive to the extent that nobody else can hunt there, but nobody else can outfit there.

If he has 5 sheep tags, or 10 guided whitetail tags or whatever for his area that's all there is. You can't ask Joe Lowballer to take you there cheaper, because he can't take you there at all. Joe might have his own area and be under booked, but he may be under booked because his area isn't as good or nobody has ever heard of him before. Conversely Outfitter #1 might have a great reputation for producing big trophies because he only shoots half of his quota. Therefore he may be able to command premium rates and make his money off fewer customers. Or, maybe he just claims to shoot half his quota but the reason is that he can't sell the hunts in the first place because his area is crap.

On average outfitters are guys who couldn't cut it selling snake-oil.;)
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how do these tags that are available to purchase work?, my understanding as a resident of BC I have to apply for my own tag (LEH is not a guarantee) and then if I get a tag, I can hire a guide if I was so inclined.

Or are you speaking only of non resident hunters who have the ability to purchase tags residents can not?
 
Dogleg said:
I can't speak for all areas, but at least for the most part an outfitter has an exclusive area and a given amount of tags for that area. Its not exclusive to the extent that nobody else can hunt there, but nobody else can outfit there.
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Outfitters get very unhappy when resident hunters hunt the same land they do, some would like to have you believe they own the animals on the land they were given the right to use along with everyone else.
 
Sheephunter, didn't realize you had a show! Good going man!

Would love to watch it except I have no TV. Well, have a TV but no cable/satellite. Too bad you guys don't stream over the internet. Might bite the bullet and get satellite one of these days so I can get WildTV.
 
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