To Convert a handgun from 12(6) to Restricted Class Can You Do This?

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Hello

I was wondering IF this is both legal and possible, since I am getting NO replies that are feasible.

If your handgun is in the 12(6) class and you want to keep it, you have to convert the barrel, if it is .380, from it`s factory length to 105.10mm length to make it into the Restrictive Class. IF you had a spare barrel the exact same as the factory barrel, could you not take the barrels themselves to a machine shop and have one end welded to the end of the factory one, making sure the rifling matches and is straight and that the outer barrel is turned on a lathe to make sure the weld is smooth and matching the original diameter barrel. Would that be possible and acceptable? IT is near impossible to find an affordable gunsmith to make an entire new barrel, ones I`ve seen are 3 to 4 times the value of the handgun.

Now correct me if I`m probably wrong, a .32acp same 12(6) class, you can`t do the barrel extension like above and it would be then classed as a Restrictive because of the caliber right? You would have to change the barrel and caliber, Yes?

Please let me know, curious. And Thanks ALL for your Time and Help.
George
 
redbirddog said:
i believe they will not accept a welded add on to a barrel to change it.

had this with an M1 back in the 90's

what is the gun?

get a new barrel made from scratch
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Hello
It`s a 1934 Beretta .380 Corto and the last quote for a new made barrel, $500.00, the Beretta is Not worth that much as is. Are you sure about NOT allowed for the conversion?
George
 
84fuegoturbo said:
https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1561554-What-is-Needed-procedure-to-Convert-a-Proh-to-Res-Handgun-Legally

Didn't we just go thru this?
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Hello

Yes we did BUT I wanted to double check about the Beretta and using two of the same barrels, I did not mention that in my first post. Also was Not sure IF that would have any change on the .32acp previous reply.

And the last gunsmith reply to this quoted about $500.00. For a new barrel. Also how do I get this process started IF I have been given 30 days by the Ontario CFO to remedy this?
George
 
MET said:
I don't see how a barrel would keep its accuracy from being welded/heated that much let alone joining two barrels together...
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Hi
Would Not there be heat enough from welding the part at the base of the barrel that goes into the slide, sorry don`t know the technical name of it, it locks in place and has the feed ramp on it. IT is welded to the barrel and weld would produce a lot of heat as well. I think.
George
 
Just wait for the CPC to get back in power, and surely they will change this silly status law. Oh wait, they were in power, with a majority, and did precious little for us. Oh well.:rolleyes:
 
You can lengthen the original barrel in this fashion: weld on an extension to bring the barrel length to over 105mm. Lathe turn to clean up the weld and contour the extension to match the original barrel. Bore out the barrel. Install a liner that is continuous from breech to muzzle.
 
tiriaq said:
You can lengthen the original barrel in this fashion: weld on an extension to bring the barrel length to over 105mm. Lathe turn to clean up the weld and contour the extension to match the original barrel. Bore out the barrel. Install a liner that is continuous from breech to muzzle.
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Hi tiriaq
Thanks for the information. IF I understood you, I can use two of the same factory barrels, welded together for proper length. Then I have to bore out the barrel then install a new liner and have that rifling installed and the inner liner is the same caliber as was the original caliber. 380 Corto?

What is the type of metal that is Best used for gun barrels OR liners?

Can a machine shop work on JUST the barrel to weld it together and bore it out then insert a liner THEN take the entire handgun to a 12(6) gunsmith to put rifling in the barrel and do the government paperwork?

IF so, you know any Good ones in Ontario who MIGHT BE WILLING to do that to help me with costs?

Thanks again for your reply.
George
 
Forget the welding two barrels together. Pointless waste of time. The barrel extension needs to be less than an inch long.
Liners are rifled. The extended barrel is drilled out, the liner bonded in place, and the chamber reamed.
This presupposes that the diameter of the barrel is large enough to permit sleeving. 9mm liner stock that I have used is 1/2" diameter. What is the OD of a Beretta barrel?
Altering the barrel might be easier than making a barrel from a blank.
A detached 12-6 pistol barrel, not part of a registered 12-6 pistol, is a prohibited device, all by itself. You cannot buy one.
I don't know what the breech diameter of a Beretta barrel is. It might be possible to cut off the breech end, bore out the stump, and install a full length barrel. This would avoid having to duplicate the machining of the original barrel.
 
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tiriaq said:
Forget the welding two barrels together. Pointless waste of time. The barrel extension needs to be less than an inch long.
Liners are rifled. The extended barrel is drilled out, the liner bonded in place, and the chamber reamed.
This presupposes that the diameter of the barrel is large enough to permit sleeving. 9mm liner stock that I have used is 1/2" diameter. What is the OD of a Beretta barrel?
Altering the barrel might be easier than making a barrel from a blank.
A detached 12-6 pistol barrel, not part of a registered 12-6 pistol, is a prohibited device, all by itself. You cannot buy one.
I don't know what the breech diameter of a Beretta barrel is. It might be possible to cut off the breech end, bore out the stump, and install a full length barrel. This would avoid having to duplicate the machining of the original barrel.
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Hello Again
I just measured the original barrel with my digital micrometer, the difference from orig. to new length to make it Res. is 16.1mm = 0.6338" is that nuts or what?
George
 
I got a complimentary issue of the newspaper Canadian Access to Firearms last month. It is a parallel form of for sale and services listing to this forum. I noticed one place advertised relining C96 Broomhandle barrels. My is long gone to another home, but the ad gave me a twinge of sellers' remorse. Maybe the shop has the skills to lengthen a stubby bit of barrel on a Prohibited that won't break the bank.
 
maple_leaf_eh said:
I got a complimentary issue of the newspaper Canadian Access to Firearms last month. It is a parallel form of for sale and services listing to this forum. I noticed one place advertised relining C96 Broomhandle barrels. My is long gone to another home, but the ad gave me a twinge of sellers' remorse. Maybe the shop has the skills to lengthen a stubby bit of barrel on a Prohibited that won't break the bank.
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Hello maple_leaf_eh

Thanks for tip, if you could email the contact info I would appreciate it.
Also Thanks for your help.
George
 
As a machinist, I'll say to get the 2 sections lined up including rifling. and keeping it actually straight is near impossible. Remember they have to actually hold it in place during welding and the short end tends to pull till it's tacked. You have a $250 gun tops. You would probably be best to cut your losses and sell it and look for something that has been, or is easily done. A ppk in .32 can be had for about $350 (although not usually on EE as they are all ultra rare and were Hitler's personal side arm (every single one of them)). Epp's will re barrel a 32 acp to 30 Reid for maybe $150 Just remember, these conversions are for people who REALLY want that particular gun for whatever reason, and you won't get your money back on re sale. You may get a bit more, but it doesn't increase the value all that much
 
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trebor2880 said:
Just wait for the CPC to get back in power, and surely they will change this silly status law. Oh wait, they were in power, with a majority, and did precious little for us. Oh well.:rolleyes:
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what the CPC did for us:

- Eliminated the LGR as promised. Bill C-24 was pretty much the only roll back of gun control regulations in the developed world in the 21st century to date.
- POL to PAL created tens of thousands of new gun customers overnight.
- Cut off funding for the Coalition for Gun Control. Haven't seen any "new studies" from Ms. Cukier lately.
- Put the CBC on notice (implicitly) that if their bias continues, they will continue to be defunded into oblivion.
- Put in an Amnesty for the 858 / SA fiasco. Saved 10,000+ guns from the furnace.
-TFSA to save for that gun you want.
- Spoke up on our behalf for the High River B&E. Regardless of the true motives the message was clear "give the guns back".
- clarified Criminal Law with respect to defence of property.
- they have kept the UN anti gun progressives at the door along with their ideas to mark and trace all small arms that importers estimate will add something like $200 per gun.
- reduced the GST and made other financial changes that can allow you to redirect your resources to your guns and ammo if you so choose (indirect but real benefit).
- Just having the CPC in office has been a bulwark against the antis and given us 10 years of relative peace.

Hope that you find the Liberals more to your liking.
 
Hello Again

Just curious, does anyone know what the type of metal is that is used for making gun barrels,is it 4140? Is the steel able to be bought by anyone OR do you need a special licence?
George
 
wbaad said:
Elwood epps on Ontario can do the conversion and paperwork. I think the cost was around $350. That was with a new made barrel
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Hello
Thanks for the link BUT I already talked to them and their last quote was $500.00. That is nuts.

Going back to my last question, what type of steel is used to make barrels?
George
 
Are you seriously thinking you can do this yourself? This isn't like replacing grips, or simple field stripping, if I was you, I'd pay the 500$ and not blow myself up with some "bubba smithing" There is a reason the quote is for 500$.

Just my .02 though

GeorgeJure said:
Hello
Thanks for the link BUT I already talked to them and their last quote was $500.00. That is nuts.

Going back to my last question, what type of steel is used to make barrels?
George
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