To patch or not to patch... that is the question !

Onagoth said:
I f**king hate when people don't patch...except for the on deck shooter ...I've had to patch and reset stages by myself when SOing and its very annoying
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As mentioned, at the start of the match, the MD should make it clear all are expected to work the stage they are shooting - put it in the match copy too if you are drafting one up.
With IDPA it is easy, have your SOs reaffirm that to all shooters in their squad and if that doesn't work start handing out FTDRs.
 
beltfed said:
As mentioned, at the start of the match, the MD should make it clear all are expected to work the stage they are shooting - put it in the match copy too if you are drafting one up.
With IDPA it is easy, have your SOs reaffirm that to all shooters in their squad and if that doesn't work start handing out FTDRs.
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FTDR for not taping?

I don't know how that work out :)

I don't see that in the rulebook.

Much better a direct comment to the offending shooter. If they still don't step up then don't patch the targets when he is up. After he has to tape targets before shooting the stage once or twice I'm sure the point will be made.

John
 
Agreed, I've never handed out an FTDR, and I'm not planning to.
I think if you make it plain to everyone that taping is required (or helping in some other way if they can't tape) then most everyone pitches in.

The catch all is unsportsmanlike conduct.

PC 1. Failure To Do Right (FTDR):
A. Adds twenty (20) seconds to total score.
B. Is assessed for any attempt to circumvent or compromise
the spirit or rationale of any stage by the use of
inappropriate devices, equipment or techniques.
C. Is assessed for unsportsmanlike conduct, unfair actions,
or the use of illegal equipment, which, in the opinion of the
MD, tends to make a travesty of the defensive shooting
sport. This will result in an FTDR or DQ from the entire
match at the discretion of the MD.
 
unless you have just shot, are the score keeper, are the RO, or are up next....you should be patching. The only other time I would say excuses you from immediately patching is someone shooting the stage (LOL,.that is a joke BTW)..or perhaps loading some mags or cleaning them....
If you are the match director, or range master, stats person, you will probably be absent from your squad at different times.
 
Onagoth said:
IMO not taping is not in any way an FTDR

It's not even close to what that penalty is designed to accomplish
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Fair enough. While I agree with the broad understanding it is designed around - the shooting of the stage, or at least this is how most people define it, I believe for sake of discussion, it's a mechanism (a 'catch all') for fair play.
Fair play is not specific to shooting the stage, but conduct at the match as a whole.

As an example:

You are rolling with a squad during a work/shoot arrangement and A competitor shoots a stage and receives a call for multiple cover calls.
He looses it and gets p!ssy. Decides to have a pitty party for the rest of the match and doesn't help out on the remaining stages - including taping; what do you as the SO or MD do?

Would you let it slide and have it potentially ruin the rest of the competitor's match?
Maybe some of them are on his side, and not used to tight cover calls?
Does you reaction to this fellow change if he is a relatively new competitor as opposed to a 'big shot' within the club?

IMO, in the above instance, depending on the level of 'looses it' - the competitor should at the very least receive a warning. Escalating from there is an FTDR and then an outright disqualification.
 
Even at matches where there are dedicated workers (ie, they have people to patch and set steel for you), I often also go out and help tape a couple of targets. It makes things run faster and smoother, especially if it's been a long match and the workers are getting a bit run down (like at the last Nationals).

If you're just sitting around waiting, it helps keep you active and focused.

Except if it's pouring rain or super cold. Then I'll huddle under the shelters and shiver with everybody else. ;)
 
When a new guy shows up and identifies himself as "new guy" do the veterans in the squad usually show them what's expected outside the rules? Patching paper and resetting steel sounds pretty straightforward, so when and how seems like all a new guy needs to know. I guess I'll find out.
 
IF nothing else I think most of us tend to lead by example :)

If a 'new guy' keeps his eyes open he will soon see how it is done. And then there is always the old standby - ask ;)

John
 
I especially like the "pretend patchers"

They wear a game trail into the ground to the varios shooting positions...then put one patch on a target...and repeat as many times as possable.

It's even better when it's shooters that are not even on your squad...ahem...helping out :rolleyes:

So Snowboy...have we ever met ?
 
I find that most competitors will generally pitch in and help reset the stage. Occasionally you'll hit a moment of distraction where everyone seems to forget because they are in conversation or whatever. IPSC competition does tend to demand a lot of intense focus, and often getting people all pulling in the same direction at the same time can be like herding cats. But a quick reminder is usually all that's needed and everyone leaps forward.

Once in a while I'll encounter a squad that prefers to sit around and watch others do the work, not even picking up mags or assisting in any way. Those ones are difficult, but rare. Most often, shoving a stack of patches in someone's face and jerking a thumb in in the direction of the targets will get things going. Possibly, using my patented simian, mono-brow ridge menacing scowl also helps. Every once in a while someone needs to be verbally reminded that IPSC is a sport of volunteers and camaraderie, and everyone is expected to pull their weight. No one like a parasite.
 
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