Took the plunge, now which division?

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Well I got a CZ75b in .40s&w which is a selective DA/SA..

I'm not so bad at 7-10m but my BB course mini-match showed me I miss 10-20% beyong that :redface:

My instructor told me I would be better in Standard to take avantage of the Pf but I guess my gun is disavantaged from all the 1911/etc..

I do my own ammo, so I can make some 135pf load as well as some 180pf.

On the 3 course we had, I did well in the first, 0 on the others since I had some miss/p-t. I ran out of ammo on the last stage so I couldn't engage the last 2 poppers (only had 2 mags, 17rnds course).

Suggestion?
 
"Stay in Production and shoot real guns, not those Buck Rogers ray gun thingies. Just load down your ammo and have fun. You'll get better with practice."
That's pure bullshjt, Production guns are getting to be just as modified as standard guns, so you can give up that "realgun" soapbox. Just because YOU don't like a highly tuned race gun doesn't make it a lesser firearm. By that assinine attitude a base model honda civic is a real car and their top of the tuner model isn't, where would honda's F1 car fall into this reasoning? If you're so into "real guns" why not use real ammo instead of downloaded gamer ammo?
And no I'm not biased on the subject, since I compete regularly and successfully in open, standard, and production.

Icefire, Here's the thing, look at the shooters in the area where you're going to do the majority of your shooting. Pick the division that regularly offers the most shooters at or around your level. Having someone close to your abilities to race against and there being someone for the 2 of you to chase down is a great tool for excelling in this sport. If you don't have someone pushing you or someone to chase after then your progress will be slower then someone with those motivating factors.
 
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Well I have not yet access to Quebec results but I guess most very good shooters are in Standard/Open.

I just got a very nice deal for 5 used mags for my .40 so I'll need to buy a Inner/Outer belt and some mag pouche and I'll be ready for the next match at CTM!

Just need to make a minor load with my Universal Clays... I don't have access to a chronie to know if it make minor...
 
Well if you want to shoot minor then stick to production, minor is a massive disadvantage in standard. If standard has a lot of good shooters but no one close to your level but production does I would say production is a better choice for you if your looking to excell, if you just want to play around and don't realyl care for the competition aspect then do what every makes you the happiest.
 
Well Fun is sure my 1st goal as I won't be praticing very often but I would still prefer not be the last.
 
well, since you're not sure, I'd avoid making modifications to your gun which would make it unable to compete in Production (the SA trigger idea). Since (I'm guessing) you're just starting up, in all honestly, it doesn't matter at the moment. Try the different loads, see what 'feels' nicer/better/etc. If you feel you can shoot better/faster/etc with the full power loads, you'll have the choice of either Prod/Std. If you'll find that the reduced loads are better for you, you'll stick to Prod. For now just learn how to shoot IPSC (I don't mean learn the very basics to get a black badge, I mean learn competition ipsc), division specification is only for scoring purposes, and as a new entry, chances are it will be a little while before you really worry about that. Shoot some matches, have fun, and then think about them afterwards and try and see which ones you prefered more - ones you shot in Std or Prod (ignoring the results, just thinking about the shooting itself). That will probably be a better indicator than anything anyone tells you here...

Ohh, and I'm with Madness on the whole Prod thing. I still shoot it because I like those styles of guns and I prefer shooting 9mm, but the idea that Prod is "out of the box" guns is loooooong gone... It's Production legal to remove the firing pin safety block on an SP01, it's legal to get a custom hammer, it's legal to put in reduced weight main spring, reduced weight recoil spring, blah, blah, blah - it's beyond silly.
 
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It's ipsc, not the go slow league. I wanna get as much out of my pd pistol as possible. If it's legal I'll do it.
 
Well personnaly, I prefer shooting mild load, I hate the snap but I like the "push" feel, 9mm was too snappy for me (P7M8) but I liked a Para .45 hot load..
I liked the load I made for my black badge (4.4gr Universal Clays, 180gr lead) which was moderate and from what I know, Universal is know to push more than snap, even in Major load.

I also prefer to be #### & locked (SA) but I can manage the Start on DA.

I guess I'll try production at my 1st match at CTM, I'll make some 4.2gr loads and have fun/Stay safe. I'll probably have 0 on most stage (damn miss that cost you 10 points over the 5 you didn't make) ;)


EDIT: Is there any 20-40$cdn Inner/Outer belt like CR Speed?
 
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Madness said:
"Stay in Production and shoot real guns, not those Buck Rogers ray gun thingies. Just load down your ammo and have fun. You'll get better with practice."
That's pure bullshjt, Production guns are getting to be just as modified as standard guns, so you can give up that "realgun" soapbox. Just because YOU don't like a highly tuned race gun doesn't make it a lesser firearm. By that assinine attitude a base model honda civic is a real car and their top of the tuner model isn't, where would honda's F1 car fall into this reasoning? If you're so into "real guns" why not use real ammo instead of downloaded gamer ammo?
And no I'm not biased on the subject, since I compete regularly and successfully in open, standard, and production.

Icefire, Here's the thing, look at the shooters in the area where you're going to do the majority of your shooting. Pick the division that regularly offers the most shooters at or around your level. Having someone close to your abilities to race against and there being someone for the 2 of you to chase down is a great tool for excelling in this sport. If you don't have someone pushing you or someone to chase after then your progress will be slower then someone with those motivating factors.
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dude he was being sarcastic.....

that said, stay in PD our people have a sense of humour................................


kidding, we are all dicks!
 
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EDIT: Is there any 20-40$cdn Inner/Outer belt like CR Speed?
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If you start out in P.D. your gun is already set up for it and won't cost you any additional funds. You can then compete for a while and cross-pollinate with other shooters in all divisions and see what would be needed to make your gun competitive if you wanted to switch to Standard. But P.D. will teach you all you need to know about IPSC shooting techniques. Later, if you want to switch you won't be spending money on mods that won't do anything for you since you will have a clearer picture of what you need.
 
You are getting some realy good advise from some of the best shooters in the country. See they are not all pricks ( just kidding ).

Why not try this. Shoot 3 matches in production then shoot 3 matches in standard. Try them both and see which one you like. You never know until you try.

This is the most important thing to remember and it is not stated enough.
HAVE FUN no body is paying you to shoot. Right. So just go out and have fun.
Try thinking out of the box. Stop whoring about your draw time against some one else or your times on stages against other shooters. Try thinking of it this way when the timer goes off it is telling you can draw and fire your gun that is all. learn to shoot well the speed will come. This will save you time and money and a lot of aggravation.

Shooting is intended to fun not aggravating. If you look at that way you will be fine in any division you decide to shoot in.

Just my $0.02

Joe
 
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the idea that Prod is "out of the box" guns is loooooong gone... It's Production legal to remove the firing pin safety block on an SP01, it's legal to get a custom hammer, it's legal to put in reduced weight main spring, reduced weight recoil spring, blah, blah, blah - it's beyond silly.
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It's ipsc, not the go slow league. I wanna get as much out of my pd pistol as possible. If it's legal I'll do it.
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When Angus Hobdell re-sells Wolff reduced power springs and call them 'factory options', it may be deemed to be legal but it hardly seems ethical.....
 
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Icefire,

On one of the other threads, some good advice was given concerning equipment that I think applies to your situation.

And that advice (courtesy of IPSIK) was: It's all a matter of what you WANT to do. When you go to a match, watch both the high end Standard and Production guys note what gear they use, what guns they use and determine which division you'd like to be in. You already have a good gun (buy spare extractors for the 75 though and for CZ's ask guys like Omen, IPSC1 who know them well.).

Many people think you should start in Production...I disagree. I started in Standard (there was no Prod in 1995) and the key things then still stand true today..Have a gun that works ALL THE TIME, buy good equipment ONCE at the BEGINNING (it's a lot less frustrating) - sounds like you've already done that, have FUN...it's only a game.

I shoot Production now, it's fun and I truly see that the competition, no matter what the division is very strong! Guys like IPSIK, Omen, R. Elliot, Madness can shoot ANY gun well and be competitive. It comes from practice and experience oh, and having FUN!!!!

You say you don't like the snap of the 9 mm... that can be fixed with the right load (as it seems you've already found out with .40). I have a 9mm load that is super soft, accurate and makes minor (131pf). I also have a .40 major load that feels like a 9 as well! You're best bet might be to load shop to find a softer load if that is what you want.

Madness has offered great advice that you should try 3 matches in each division and then determine where you were happiest with your OWN performance and where you had the most FUN. Oh and like he said see where your competition lies..no point in shooting if there is no one to shoot against/with.

So, you're well on your way. Find guys (like you already have here) who know the game, are good at it and can help. :)
 
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