After your post, it's motivated me to take my magnums out for a walk this weekend. It's been a spell since my hand and wrist have been scared.
Tracking down pistols for ATC
- Thread starter brapjack
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After your post, it's motivated me to take my magnums out for a walk this weekend. It's been a spell since my hand and wrist have been scared.
Yay for geos? Thats similar to the conditions of mine years ago. The P Geo helps.
Nice deal, I think I bought my Toklat in 454 after reading how you liked yours. Geos have nice stuff.
Wilbur1005
Regular
- Location
- Queen City
Who do you ask for Olympic approval?
What you have to do is set out in section 43 of of Bill C-21 which adds new section 97.1 to the Firearms Act. This section 97.1 creates exceptions to the handgun transfer ban set out earlier in the Act. The Olympic/Paralympic exception is in para (b). You have to get a letter from a provincial or national sport shooting governing body. Nationally, that'll be the Shooting Federation of Canada, which governs Olympic and Paralympic shooting in Canada. Provincially, it'll be whatever organization is the SFC's counterpart in your province. This section does NOT say that you have to be an Olympic level shooter. What it does say (and what the letter has to say on your behalf) is that you have to be training, competing, or coaching in an Olympic or Paralympic handgun shooting discipline. Many local clubs have leagues that do this type of shooting. You do NOT have to be an elite competitor. If you can hit an 18" one-ring at 20 yards, one handed, with a 5 shot 22LR handgun, you can score in competition. (Needless to say, the 10-ring is quite a bit smaller.) Presumably you'd have to be able to show that you are actually doing the discipline regularly to get the required letter out of the governing body. In my league, a number of new shooters who don't yet own a pistol are competing with pistols borrowed from other club members, to build a record in order to support a future request to the governing body for a letter that will enable them to buy a competition pistol of their own.
The wording of the section is:
Exception — handguns
97.#1 Sections 12.#2 and 19.#1 do not apply in respect of an individual who
(a) holds an authorization to carry in respect of a handgun; or
(b) meets the prescribed criteria and annually provides a letter to a chief firearms officer from a provincial or national sport shooting governing body indicating
(i) that they are training, competing or coaching in a handgun shooting discipline that is on the programme of the International Olympic Committee or the International Paralympic Committee,
(ii) the disciplines in which they train, compete or coach, and
(iii) that the handgun in question is necessary for training, competing or coaching in those disciplines.
Contact the Saskatchewan Target Shooting Association (STSA):
http://www.sasktargetshooting.ca/Leagues/index/saskatchewantargetshootingassociation/ContactUs
In Regina you have the Wascana Pistol Club and Regina Wildlife Federation & their affiliated handgun clubs. Another great resource in the province is Harvey at Airguns Plus in Prince Albert.
My recommendation is to get started with 10m air pistol. It’s an Olympic discipline, isn’t impacted by the current regs, and will give you a solid idea of whether or not you enjoy this type of shooting.
Some one posted a thread last week; "I'm an olympic shooter and bought a hand gun, AMA" or something to that effect. Looks like it has been nuked now.
Ellwood Epps has a list of about 100 pistols that are available to those exempt. The prices are in line with pre ban prices. Nothing in 10mm though.
Ellwood Epps has a list of about 100 pistols that are available to those exempt. The prices are in line with pre ban prices. Nothing in 10mm though.
x2. I suspect you'll just load to factory sammi spec and perhaps hollow points, but if you intend to push the .45acp to its limits I'd be interested in learning what to do, or more importantly, what not to do.
He's likely already got his ammo chosen. You're supposed to shoot the qualifications with said ammo (& pass using it) in order to be granted such a permit in the first place. I doubt they've changed that stipulation, it used to be worded that way specifically.
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- Blaster land, Okanagan BC
Here’s what is said about ammo in the POP requirement’s in the application package you receive in BC.
Ammunition:
• The type of ammunition used during the POP must have a similar muzzle velocity, caliber and bullet weight as the ammunition that the applicant intends to use for wilderness protection.
You are correct. Ammo that is to be carried needs to be qualified with. This is my first year so i used federal 230 FMJ for now. Not the best, but it will penetrate and get the job done... Made this choice based on one of Paul Harrel's videos. Ill see if i can find it...
I did pick up some Starline brass and dies. Going to try and brew up some spicy loads, but not to spicy... low super or hot +P. Not sure if handloads will be accepted... but i will need to requalify next year and will try then.
As a side note i have a KKM barrel, but am still looking for a recoil spring thats suited for the task... Open to suggestions?
Paul Harrel video... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gtTEEm1-1A
I know 45ACP is not the best choice...but i could not find a 10mm for a reasonable price... lots of guys think there G20 is worth 2k now.... i feel like there are more guns then buyers right now, so ill hold tight and wait for one to pop up.
I know 45ACP is not the best choice...but i could not find a 10mm for a reasonable price... lots of guys think there G20 is worth 2k now.... i feel like there are more guns then buyers right now, so ill hold tight and wait for one to pop up.
Hello,
I am looking to purchase a pistol for wilderness carry and am having a well of a time finding dealers who still sell pistols...The market is kind of dead....Does anyone have a lead?...Or a 10mm pistol they wanna part with....not sure how I am going to do this...RDSC said they could order me a G20, for 3-5k....
In Ontario for wilderness carry only a few ( 3 ,,, I think ? ) calibers are allowed.
- Location
- Blaster land, Okanagan BC
Hand loads are gtg, I did my POP with them. There no mention of factory or hand loads in the application package.
Get a few Wolff springs, I think factory is 17lb, so buy a 20, 22, and a 24. Use the heaviest spring for load development (assuming it cycles).
Then once load development is done, pick the spring that throws brass the same distance that the factory spring allows with factory 45 ACP ammo. Pretty scientific haha but it worked for me.
I don't load full 45 Super either, just a 230 XTP with Longshot powder to around 1050 fps. It's not that far behind a factory 240 44 mag out of a 4" revolver but a lot easier to shoot due to lower bore axis and frame flex etc.
Today I read an article where the author was discussing his experiences hunting black bear with 308 and 6.5CM, and one thing that popped out at me (and which reinforced my own prejudices), is when he said something like "...so it's not the cartridge, it's the bullet."
Which, I think, applies to this (45 vs 10) topic.
- Location
- Blaster land, Okanagan BC
Velocity and a well constructed bullet is what you want, the 10mm has a lot more velocity. There’s a reason 357 mag is the minimum requirement for a wilderness atc gun in BC, 45auto is pretty weak. Better than nothing I guess but wouldn’t be my first choice if I was worried about predatory animals and my well being.
You’re average 230gr 45acp cartridge roughly moving around 870fps, 10mm 200gr @1070-1100, 357 mag 180gr around 1170
