Trade AR for XCR, opinions wanted

XCRmonger said:
You have got to stop blaming us for the prices there. They retail much lower here. It's just how it is.

I don't know you too well, but it seems like you are one of the first to reply on every single thread involving an XCR, and it's always a quick bashing and then you're done. No offense, but WTF did Robinson ever do to you personally? It seems like you're heartily dedicated to bashing and trashing our product mercilessly. Just sayin'. :confused:
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I'm pretty sure you don't know me at all. ;)
I think maybe you take some of what is written on this forum a wee bit too personal.
I'm not bashing the XCR or Robarms in this thread, and while I've pointed out to a few people corrections to their skewed comparisons of certain rifle platforms, I don't think I've really 'bashed' Robarms or the XCR in general.
I'm simply stating the rifle is overpriced. I think if I was Stateside, I'd say the same thing.

As to non-restricted rifles in .223 - I'd probably start my search at the AR-180b
 
00Buck said:
The Classic Green is really nice. There are used ones on the EE for $2,700 or so.
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Now I just gotta ask, how much are they retailing now anyways? Last I saw they were wanting $3700 before tax for a classic green, $89 for magazines.

Course I was half asleep at the time and I wasn't wearing my glasses so I might have misread it.
 
There is no way one can expect any product such as the XCR to come in at a price comparable to a product like the AR15. The realities of production come into play. If in 40 years the XCR is as developed as the AR15 and produced in the same quantities then you can expect it to be comparable in retail price.

Sadly however this works both ways, because the XCR is built in such low quantities compared to the AR you really can't expect it to perform as well or have the same standards of quality you would see from the average AR despite the fact it has a piston. The rules of production still apply to level of development and standards of quality control.

Personally I have never had one but most seem to agree the concept is sound, where there is disagreement is in implementation. I think if the AR was non-res I would take one over the XCR all day long, sadly they aren't. If it were me I'd take an SL8 or a Tavor but thats cause I like plastic guns :D.

The XCR should still cost less here then it does, but you'll have to take that up with the importer, and the laws of supply and demand.
 
Starscream said:
Now I just gotta ask, how much are they retailing now anyways? Last I saw they were wanting $3700 before tax for a classic green, $89 for magazines.

Course I was half asleep at the time and I wasn't wearing my glasses so I might have misread it.
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Last batch of rifles & carbines was $3300'ish, next is supposed to be more.

The CQB seems to go for ~$3500 at some dealers, compared to as low as $2800 last year.

Never seen any SANs so high as $3700 (yet :rolleyes:).

You can find the odd deal though, I got one of the carbines Target Sport Center had a month or two ago for $3000, they went very fast.

It pays to look around...
Cheers
 
beltfed said:
Well, now is your opportunity to inform the rest of us what it is about the XCR that commands a price tag that it does.
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XCRmonger said:
You have got to stop blaming us for the prices there. They retail much lower here. It's just how it is.

I don't know you too well, but it seems like you are one of the first to reply on every single thread involving an XCR, and it's always a quick bashing and then you're done. No offense, but WTF did Robinson ever do to you personally? It seems like you're heartily dedicated to bashing and trashing our product mercilessly. Just sayin'. :confused:
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The guy (beltfed) just asked a reasonable question. I don't give a sh!t about the XCR either way but would like to know the answer as well...

Two guesses who's more predictable in their response to an XCR thread (the 1st guess doesn't count ;))
 
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Price is the importer's baby (or fault if you'd please) so you can't ##### to Robinson about that. I want to know what the perceived fundamental problem is with the XCR platform? Our local AR180B shill always manages to show up quickly to #####, and other people seem obsessed with comparing them to a SAN. Not fair either. Want to compare it to an AR? Do that then. List the pros and cons of each platform and be objective about the question. Sometimes being objective means you won't like the answer.
 
WOW, was not looking at any bashing of any particular rifle or design. Was/am interested in just trading my restricted AR for a non-restricted XCR...

Honestly, in my humble opinion, the AR is still the best black rifle out there... the only problem with it is, I can't hunt small game with it.

Well, if there doesn't seem to be any interest in a trade + some cash, I will just keep saving and keep my AR. No problem. Just looking for some ideas on what would have made a good deal/trade.

As far as price goes, they are all overpriced, but business is business and this is the hobby I have chosen....
 
Hey I love guns! I have LEO Colt, AR180b"s, Norc M14, SKS's on so on. I like them all they all have good points and bad points. If I want it I buy it if I have the money, if not I wait until I do. I want an XCR and have one ordered and will pay for it when it comes in. A Classic Green or Black Special going for $3300 dollars does not interest me as I don't think they are worth that much. Only my opinion, yours may vary and that's fine to.
 
Some people spent 8000 on a G36 or 3000 on a FS2000 that is built on airsoft gun plastic clam shell technology and screws........buy whatever you like.

If you need other people to make you feel comfortable about how you spend money, you will never be happy. Buy whatever that makes you happy, but not what other people think that will make you happy.
 
beltfed said:
I'm pretty sure you don't know me at all. ;)
I think maybe you take some of what is written on this forum a wee bit too personal.
I'm not bashing the XCR or Robarms in this thread, and while I've pointed out to a few people corrections to their skewed comparisons of certain rifle platforms, I don't think I've really 'bashed' Robarms or the XCR in general.
I'm simply stating the rifle is overpriced. I think if I was Stateside, I'd say the same thing.

As to non-restricted rifles in .223 - I'd probably start my search at the AR-180b
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Another aimless XCR rant by beltfed, what else is new?

The AR-180b is way worse than the XCR. Inferior materials in the frame, no standard quad rail, no flip up sights, no standard folding/retractable stock option, no ability to change calibres, overpriced because theres virtually no supply, no reliable spare parts source, and customer service that is 1/10th of what Robinson Arms offers. Sure, you can get the quad rail and retracting stock on the AR-180b, but its gonna cost you an arm and a leg.

If you want a good non-restricted starter gun, the AR-180b is half-decent. But if you have a brain, you would save up abit more money and buy the XCR.
 
Pricing is a relative thing, high pricing isn't exclusive to XCR, try and find a piston AR that is less than $2000 US, what makes even less sense to me to is that an AR lower with the addition of letters "L" and "E" stamped on the side of is instantly worth more than $1000 in EE

All this discussion on pricing reminds me that old saying "a woman will pay half for something she doesn't need, a man will be more than happy to pay twice for something he does" ultimately people see the value of the XCR and to them it is worth the asking price.
 
well I had an AR. Have an xcr. Have experience with ar180b and pe90.

AR- great gun. ####s where it eats. Spring loaded ejector, DI gas system and 8 tiny lugs on bolt. All inherent weaknesses in my eyes. A lot of mods available, but is restricted.

XcR- built in quad rail, non restricted takes AR mags. Bad trigger. Front heavy (as is 18.6" HBar). As accurate as an AR. Some people have had problems with small internal parts failures. I have not. Mine has been rock solid reliable. Can change calibers with bolt+barrel swap. My biggest Complaint is the trigger. Great gun

AR180b- a good entry level gun, takes Ar mags, non restricted. Still a plasticized abortion of the ar18. Lowers have been broken from pivoting the upper too far. Not cool.

Pe90- Great gun too. Non restricted one is heavy. Has a cool built in bipod. Accurate. Very expensive mags, limited to 5 rounds. Reliable.

Sl8- I have no experience with these. Have heard they crack in magwell? Crack= not good.

All in all, I think the xcr is a better rifle than the AR15. Many people in the US think so too.

The AR15/m16 should never have been adopted for military use in the 60's. It should have went to the AR18. Think what it would be like with 40 years of development and modding.

Beltfed is the resident SANboy. Armedsask is the resident AR180b fanboy. He even built an aluminum lower, smart guy, and creative too. The irony was it ended up looking more like an XCR.

The xcr is great. I like it better than the other guns. Others don't.
 
I'm not a proponent of one design over the other. Obviously some people have certain needs and desires in their rifles. I started out in this thread simply voicing my opinion on the cost of the XCR - it was not meant to bash the rifle in general, and it was not, nor is my intention to hijack discussion on the poster's original intent of the thread.

If others want to continue civilized debate on the merits or failings of the XCR platform, I'd be happy to indulge you in another thread of your choosing.

Regards.
 
XCR trade for an AR

I’ve got one and it’s the cat’s ass! I like the NR rating for sure. I’ve had mine out every weekend since January and had a lot of people asking questions about it. I did get pulled from a shooting location on Crown land off of the trunk road once buy the fish cops then waited for the RC’S in order to verify that the rifle was non restricted (&*%$en retards) but this added to the experience of shooting one. I have taken coyotes down at 500 meters with it using the ELCAN SDR scope. Mine shoots as accurate as my AR. The only thing that I do not like about it is that it is very barrel heavy but practice shouldering and your body will build the memory and muscle to handle it. I would go for the trade and if you would like a fixed M4 adaptor or folding adaptor, let me know. I made 22 of the folders and 9 of the fixed and sold all of them but I will do a machine run at the end of the month after I put my 50cal together.

I guess the question that you have to ask yourself is "do I like it!"

Put it this way; ask yourself these questions when looking at the 3 rifles pending on your tastes and likes:
1) Do you like the tactical options this rifle has such as mounting accessories and accessory options available to mount on this rifle (tacticool looking)? OR do you want a good, plain shooting rifle without the accessory mounts and options.
2) What kind of shooting will you use it for and how long will the rifle last before it wears and or breaks to the pint of replacement parts?
3) How does it feel on your shoulder?
4) What is its quality rank against the other rifles and their options?
5) Price? (do not look at the price first, look at yourself first as far as what you want)

Based on the above ask questions of current owners what’s their opinion on very specific questions like: Maintenance – spare parts (if needed) – problems – weight – things they would change – accuracy – Ect…. If you leave this open and do not take charge of the conversation you get all of the wrong answers!!!

Once your aware of all angles of all options in the 3 rifles you have mentioned you should then wager costs and cost retention! Up front all have a price but down the road if you were to sell what will you get back?

I think you should trade straight across and maybe throw in a $100 bucks but only if you are dealing with a friend otherwise trade straight across. I own a XCR and its currently my favorite over the 3 AR’s I have only because its in my truck right now. The XCR has all the same mounting options as the AR, all rail accessories will fit on either, chambered in the same cal, takes the same mags, blah blah blah – even trade!

Just trying to help.
 
If an XCR is the model you want, then its probably the only model you'll be happy with. No explanation, comparison or substitution will fill the enormous hole that not having your first choice in rifles will carve in your ego and your wallet.

Take a LOT of people's word here for that.


You'll generally find that guys here fit in a few categories:
  • Those who buy a rifle because it is the pinnacle in tacti-cool
  • Those who buy a rifle because they hope it will make them 'go faster'
  • Those who buy a rifle because it is the last word in reliability

Some of them are even genuine; offering strong opinions because they are competing with their rig of choice. Many feel that a move away to another platform would hurt their game. I definitively perform better with the AR. Its ergonomics are IMHO superior to any platform on the market. But I LOVE shooting my Swiss Arms Carbine, and am amazed by its robust build quality. It literally feels like it was built for a larger caliber.

The bottom line is that I prefer passing leisure time with it 10 to 1 over the AR. I got into this hobby again to enjoy myself; not jack off the ego of some guy I've never met and not to reassure some Nervous Nancy that his purchasing choices are sound too.



Just remember. You don't have to be or appease ANY of the above listed guys.

And if you look hard enough, you'll even find a few who still buy rifles because they look like they will be fun to shoot for the summer. And having fun's good enough.
 
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I love the Ar-15 plateform it has been one of the funiest guns to shoot ever. I have put thousands of round through several AR's. Ive owed about 6 different AR's now. Small configurations and full size. I used to think there was nothing better. I have recently acquired a XCR. WOW amazing platform. Way more reliable, shoots better, less recoil, more accurate. and oh yeah NON restricted.

XCR is my new baby. It works amazing with a trijicon.
 
Urbanhuntr said:
I love the Ar-15 plateform it has been one of the funiest guns to shoot ever. I have put thousands of round through several AR's. Ive owed about 6 different AR's now. Small configurations and full size. I used to think there was nothing better. I have recently acquired a XCR. WOW amazing platform. Way more reliable, shoots better, less recoil, more accurate. and oh yeah NON restricted.

XCR is my new baby. It works amazing with a trijicon.
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So, what you're trying to say is... no trade here:D
 
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