ive never lost a stand, i know a guy who got pissed off cause his stand was on crown land and he went to get it, it was gone, my ladder stands are home made, 1' square tubing, 10' ladder with another 4'ontop with a base, ive used 10' spikes into the trees, if they can get them down i commend them, but id still be pissed off, i would never buy a stand, on the other hand ive had guys come into property where i was hunting, sitting directly across the field from me, when confronted he said "well ive got a 99 year lease" yeah ok buddy so i asked him very nicely to leave, this guy had a few screws loose so i was nice, my buddies property its like a bloody race track, i like to sit there even if im not hunting to just piss them off! its bad because it makes every "by the book" hunter look bad! then we get banned from prime hunting land