Normally, I put some meat in the freezer with a doe tag early in the year and then start looking for a trophy buck. If he shows up, fantastic. Sometimes I like to let them go if it's a big buck but not something big enough to dance about. Then, if I have a tag left (I usually do), after the rut I go shoot something tasty looking like a little spike that's had his chance to breed.
Trophy Hunting vs Meat/Subsistence Hunting
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I don't agree with Trophy hunting of any kind, if your not hunting for food to eat then you shouldn't be destroying an animal. I've never agreed with sports fishing either, if I catch a fish I intend to eat it, not fk with it, take a picture and throw it back. I don't need to kill things and have heads on my wall to fufull me. If it happens to be a trophy deer, moose etc I shoot then fine but the meat is much more tender on a younger bull. That's my opinion, if ur not hunting to feed yourself leave nature alone. As Richard Prenokee did.
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I think your grammer is wrong.
If you're going to correct someone's "grammer", at least spell that word correctly. It's grammar.
I would have to consider myself a trophy hunter, as I certainly don't qualify as a subsistence hunter by definition. I eat pretty much only wild meat, except for the odd BBQ'd steak. This is by choice, not necessity. I would think most hunters fit into this category.There are very few, if any true subsistence hunters out there.
If all those that qualify as subsistence hunters under the law exercised that privilege, Canada would be devoid of wildlife.
Its just my opinion, I'm not protesting anything, if u like it fill ur boots, I just see no point in it, its killing for the sake of killing. Oh and yes u can buy meat at the store but not moose or deer only steroid feed cows lol
It's nice too see that someone can weigh in on this topic without cutting down the opinion / practice of others.......
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No... I got it....
The OP asked for opinions... he is entitled to his, although I don't agree with it... but at least he isn't forcing it down anyone's throat... like the guy in the cougar hunt thread was.... I just think it's a good thing to see someone make a personal choice and leave it at that.... even goes as far as clarifyong that it is his opinion....
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Well, I kinda read it as he was critizicing and "cutting up" anyone who trophy hunts.
Perhaps this topic should read "Trophy Hunting vs. Sport hunting".
These are good definitions on various hunting methods:
1.Subsistence --the hunting and gathering for the sole purpose of providing for yourself and your family. Hunting for survival.
2.Sport -- hunting for the sole purpose of enjoyment and sport. The secondary benefit is providing for yourself and for your family. Hunting is not your only source of food.
3.Commercial / Market -- hunting for profit. The sole purpose is economic and/or material gain.
4.Trophy --hunting for personal recognition amongst peers; i.e., animal head trophies, rugs, fur accessories, and antlers. Hunting not for the food, but for an animal trophy of some sort.
http://library.thinkquest.org/27518/subsistencehunting.htm
Not many in this country qualify as a subsistence hunter, perhaps some Inuk and a handful of First Nations living in isolated areas, that's all. By the above definitions, I would consider myself a sport hunter who likes trophies, if that makes any sense.
I certainly agree that even "meat hunters" are not necessarily subsistance hunters.... and to me, the meat IS my main trophy.....
And I never thought of "Trophy" hunting as being something I would do to impress my peers.... Interesting...
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I hunt for sport is the best way to say it as another mentioned, everything I shoot in Canada I eat, everything shot outside of Canada I generally eat some of, and the rest goes to people who need it a lot more than I (anyone who's hunted Africa understands).
So, I suppose I do both. Something goes in the freezer at home in the fall, and I also trophy hunt abroad.
So, I suppose I do both. Something goes in the freezer at home in the fall, and I also trophy hunt abroad.
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I have trophies to remind me of the hunt, not to impress, so I would tend to disagree a bit with that definition. Meat isn't in my freezer long enough for lasting memories.
Fill ur boots bud, I just don't agree with those that kill just for the trophy on the wall if ya know what i mean. However, that's just my opinion and I'm not brgrudgeing anybody their choices.
All hunting and shooting of game should be in accordance with the game laws of the province.
Getting to the nitty gritty, game laws are formed to keep the species in a constant state of perpetuity. In other words, game laws are, or should be, formed to protect the specy.
Once a game animal is legally kiled and the tag is cut, it matters not one whit to the specy involved, what is done with the meat. One member of the specie is dead, regardless of what happens to the carcass.
One time the game manager for a large section of central BC was invited to a local club, as guest speaker. During his speech he stated that as far as game was concerned, it would be better if the shot game was left in the bush, to be eaten by other creatures.
This particular game manager had a Masters Degree in game biology, so he knew what he was talking about.
I grew up on wild meat and have eaten most species of wild game in BC and Saskatcheewan. Fortuneately, when I was growing up the meat hunter of the family was an expert at shooting only very good eating animals. There is a tremendous difference in the qualities of game meat. Not just in the way it is handled, which is very important, but in the animals themselves. For best meat, the general rule is to get a dry cow, one that didn't have a calf that year. Seldom possible anymore, with modern game laws.
I know that a great many deer, and some other species, get discarded after they are taken home. By the way, this is legal in BC. The law states you must take it to a place of consumption, but it doesn't say you have to eat it! Or, the law doesn't state you can't throw it out, after you take it home.
We have personally had both deer and caribou, which were in late stage of rut, and I would defy anyone to stay in the kitchen when it was cooking. Even our dog wouldn't eat the meat. Obviously, the meat was thrown out.
I have often been asked to go hunting with someone and my standard answer is, "Sure, if you will take all the meat we get!"
Therefore, fore years I guess I have been a trophy hunter. As such, I have far more unused tags than most people. Does this make me a bad hunter?
One more tip on quality. The bush Indians of old were the best there was at selecting good animals to eat. In the late winter they much preferred a pregnant cow! The cow lays on a tremendous amount of fat to see her and the one in the womb in nutrition. I have eaten meat from a late winter pregnant cow and it was delicous!!!
Sorry for the rambling, but it is hard to cut this subject short.
Getting to the nitty gritty, game laws are formed to keep the species in a constant state of perpetuity. In other words, game laws are, or should be, formed to protect the specy.
Once a game animal is legally kiled and the tag is cut, it matters not one whit to the specy involved, what is done with the meat. One member of the specie is dead, regardless of what happens to the carcass.
One time the game manager for a large section of central BC was invited to a local club, as guest speaker. During his speech he stated that as far as game was concerned, it would be better if the shot game was left in the bush, to be eaten by other creatures.
This particular game manager had a Masters Degree in game biology, so he knew what he was talking about.
I grew up on wild meat and have eaten most species of wild game in BC and Saskatcheewan. Fortuneately, when I was growing up the meat hunter of the family was an expert at shooting only very good eating animals. There is a tremendous difference in the qualities of game meat. Not just in the way it is handled, which is very important, but in the animals themselves. For best meat, the general rule is to get a dry cow, one that didn't have a calf that year. Seldom possible anymore, with modern game laws.
I know that a great many deer, and some other species, get discarded after they are taken home. By the way, this is legal in BC. The law states you must take it to a place of consumption, but it doesn't say you have to eat it! Or, the law doesn't state you can't throw it out, after you take it home.
We have personally had both deer and caribou, which were in late stage of rut, and I would defy anyone to stay in the kitchen when it was cooking. Even our dog wouldn't eat the meat. Obviously, the meat was thrown out.
I have often been asked to go hunting with someone and my standard answer is, "Sure, if you will take all the meat we get!"
Therefore, fore years I guess I have been a trophy hunter. As such, I have far more unused tags than most people. Does this make me a bad hunter?
One more tip on quality. The bush Indians of old were the best there was at selecting good animals to eat. In the late winter they much preferred a pregnant cow! The cow lays on a tremendous amount of fat to see her and the one in the womb in nutrition. I have eaten meat from a late winter pregnant cow and it was delicous!!!
Sorry for the rambling, but it is hard to cut this subject short.
I'm with you on this. I have no interest in trophy or sport hunting and I honestly don't really understand it. To each his own, but to me it is all about hormone-free meat harvested from animals who live as they should in the wild. I do not buy meat from a store (if I have to buy it, I buy it from a farmer who I can look in the eye and shake his hand), and I think those who do eat meat should go out and kill an animal and harvest the meat at least once in their lives; take at least some of the responsibility, at least once.
Would I protest against trophy hunting? No. Do I respect it? Not much, but I wouldn't use that as the sole factor to judge someone, either.
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Let's not lump trophy hunting together with wasting meat. The latter is an atrocity in my view. I have eaten all the animals I consider trophies(aside from the predators) and would say trophy hunting is an added challenge to just obtaining meat.
If you can survive without wild game meat, you're sport hunting, IMO.
Then perhaps the definitions need to be altered, or a new category introduced.
To me, hockey and football are sports. Hunting purely for meat in the freezer is not in the category of "sport" in my opinion. The fact that I can afford to go to the store and buy meat is irrelevant.
Let's put it this way, if I don't have wild game, or I can't find a local farmer to buy grass-fed, hormone-free meat from, then I do not eat meat. My goal, which I hopefully will reach some day, will be to only eat meat that I have harvested myself. Period.
Will I die if I do not hunt? No, but perhaps I will be eating a lot of beans.
I do not think this makes me a "sport hunter".Maybe "1(B): Self-imposed Subsistence Hunting" is an appropriate sub-category? (Primary concern; meat, but hunting is not the only source of family's food)
Oh, and I do not assume that trophy hunters waste meat. It just seems that their primary concern is "the trophy" and the meat is an afterthought or secondary benefit (like "sport hunting"?). As long as the meat is consumed (if it is fit for consumption) then I have nothing to say about the matter, but I am just not in those categories.
